I thought, in MLB, that it was only an error if the batter eventually reached base during that same at-bat. The batter was still recorded as an out and no runners advanced so how can it be an error?

10.12 Errors

An error is a statistic charged against a fielder whose action has assisted the team on offense, as set forth in this Rule 10.12.

(a) The official scorer shall charge an error against any fielder:

(1) whose misplay (fumble, muff or wild throw) prolongs the time at bat of a batter, prolongs the presence on the bases of a runner or permits a runner to advance one or more bases, unless, in the judgment of the official scorer, such fielder deliberately permits a foul fly to fall safe with a runner on third base before two are out in order that the runner on third shall not score after the catch;

(2) when such fielder muffs a foul fly to prolong the time at bat of a batter, whether the batter subsequently reaches first base or is put out;

(3) when such fielder catches a thrown ball or a ground ball in time to put out the batter-runner and fails to tag first base or the batter-runner;

(4) when such fielder catches a thrown ball or a ground ball in time to put out any runner on a force play and fails to tag the base or the runner;

(5) whose wild throw permits a runner to reach a base safely, when in the scorer's judgment a good throw would have put out the runner, unless such wild throw is made attempting to prevent a stolen base;

(6) whose wild throw in attempting to prevent a runner's advance permits that runner or any other runner to advance one or more bases beyond the base such runner would have reached had the throw not been wild;

(7) whose throw takes an unnatural bounce, touches a base or the pitcher's plate, or touches a runner, a fielder or an umpire, thereby permitting any runner to advance; or

(8) whose failure to stop, or try to stop, an accurately thrown ball permits a runner to advance, so long as there was occasion for the throw. If such throw was made to second base, the official scorer shall determine whether it was the duty of the second baseman or the shortstop to stop the ball and shall charge an error to the negligent fielder.

I thought, in MLB, that it was only an error if the batter eventually reached base during that same at-bat. The batter was still recorded as an out and no runners advanced so how can it be an error?

Rules of an error, per mlb.com

 

(a) The official scorer shall charge an error against any fielder:

(1) whose misplay (fumble, muff or wild throw) prolongs the time at bat of a batter, prolongs the presence on the bases of a runner or permits a runner to advance one or more bases, unless, in the judgment of the official scorer, such fielder deliberately permits a foul fly to fall safe with a runner on third base before two are out in order that the runner on third shall not score after the catch;

(2) when such fielder muffs a foul fly to prolong the time at bat of a batter, whether the batter subsequently reaches first base or is put out;

10.12 Errors

An error is a statistic charged against a fielder whose action has assisted the team on offense, as set forth in this Rule 10.12.

(a) The official scorer shall charge an error against any fielder:

(1) whose misplay (fumble, muff or wild throw) prolongs the time at bat of a batter, prolongs the presence on the bases of a runner or permits a runner to advance one or more bases, unless, in the judgment of the official scorer, such fielder deliberately permits a foul fly to fall safe with a runner on third base before two are out in order that the runner on third shall not score after the catch;

(2) when such fielder muffs a foul fly to prolong the time at bat of a batter, whether the batter subsequently reaches first base or is put out;

 

Takes care of that...Thanks! :thumb:

Takes care of that...Thanks! :thumb:

#7 surprised me. I didn't know that.

#7 surprised me. I didn't know that.

 

Sergio would be whining about that...

Nope. A dropped foul ball is considered to be an error. I think its the only error you can have in a perfect game.

 

I wonder if anybody has had a perfect game after 9 innings with a 0-0 score.

 

 

Pedro when he was an Expo I believe either had a perfect game or no-no through 9 and ended up losing in the 10th.

What if the first batter of the game reaches on an error and the pitcher picks him off first and then retires the next 26 batters?

So is this a perfect game? I'm guessing not.

So is this a perfect game? I'm guessing not.

 

I would think no, because someone safely reached base, at least temporarily.

 

Here's a scenario:

Batter hit's a routine groundball to SS and the SS overthrows the 1st baseman. The runner hits first and makes a short quick turn toward 2nd, but tries to retreat to 1st base and is tagged out by the 1st baseman who retrieved the ball. He did not actually reach a base safely, or did he?

 

Still a perfecto, providing all other batters are retired?

^I'd say no, because he was on base for a very small period of time.

I would think no, because someone safely reached base, at least temporarily.

 

Here's a scenario:

Batter hit's a routine groundball to SS and the SS overthrows the 1st baseman. The runner hits first and makes a short quick turn toward 2nd, but tries to retreat to 1st base and is tagged out by the 1st baseman who retrieved the ball. He did not actually reach a base safely, or did he?

 

Still a perfecto, providing all other batters are retired?

 

 

No.

Yes it is a perfect game. Let's say the clenaup hitter comes up in the top of the 5th, he hits a foul pop that the 3rd basemen drops in foul territory. The 3rd basemen would be charged with an error, but the pitcher would still get credit for a perfect game since no one ever reached base on him. The pitcher still would have retired all 27 batters he faced.

 

Excellent example.

What if the first batter of the game reaches on an error and the pitcher picks him off first and then retires the next 26 batters?

A no-hitter but not a perfect game.

 

The official Major League Baseball definition of a perfect game requires that a pitcher allow no baserunners over the course of an entire game lasting at least nine innings, and that the pitcher pitch a complete game victory.

A no-hitter but not a perfect game.

 

The official Major League Baseball definition of a perfect game requires that a pitcher allow no baserunners over the course of an entire game lasting at least nine innings, and that the pitcher pitch a complete game victory.

Does the batter become a baserunner once he touches first base?

I think so. I have always wondered if the leadoff batter strikes out, catcher misses it, and the batter/runner is safe at first. Next guy hits into double play and the rest of the batters are retired in order. Perfect game?

Does the batter become a baserunner once he touches first base?

 

I know if a guy hits a ball into the gap and gets thrown out at third base, he gets credited with a double...I don't see why this would be any different.