August 9, 200719 yr Is he better offensively (completely ignoring defense) than Andre Dawson? If he gets to 400 HRs, will he be better than Johnny Mize (359 bombs)? Is he better offensively than Johnny Bench? Perez? We could compare Kent, till the cows come home but it gets back to numbers....plus, these aren't 2B. Isn't an induction into the HOF, based off your role on both sides of the ball, excluding a pitcher.
August 9, 200719 yr Author We could compare Kent, till the cows come home but it gets back to numbers....plus, these aren't 2B. Isn't an induction into the HOF, based off your role on both sides of the ball, excluding a pitcher. You're killing me, Smalls. I didn't ask about the HOF. I asked all on here if they think Kent is better offensively than the players I listed.
August 9, 200719 yr You're killing me, Smalls. I didn't ask about the HOF. I asked all on here if they think Kent is better offensively than the players I listed. Great movie.....:lol: I'll let someone else, climb over the fence and retrieve the answer.
August 10, 200719 yr All the stats clearly bear out is that he had a lot of balls hit to him. Nothing more. A ball that he didn't get to that went into RF for a single hurts his defensive stats in no way while that same ball that is gotten to but thrown away at first base hurts the other defender. Who is the better defender in that case?So, every year, Sandberg just simply "had more balls hit to him" than most other second basemen? Wow ...
August 10, 200719 yr Author So, every year, Sandberg just simply "had more balls hit to him" than most other second basemen? Wow ... Factors that could cause problems using assists as a definitive and comparable measure: 1. Played more innings 2. Played behind a predominantly RH staff 3. Played behind a groundball staff In 1983 Ryno led the Majors in assists. He played behind a RH staff which means he faced a lot of LH batters. When he was in the field, 45% of the batters that put the ball in play (not counting homers) were lefties. The average 2b saw 11% less balls in play by lefties (45 vs 40). This equated to 225 additional chances for Ryno. The Cubs staff was 3rd from the bottom in strikeouts so Ryno got more chances that way. He led the league in double play assists because the Cubs staff had a very high rate of putting runners on base. Lastly, the Cubs staff had the highest rate of ground balls which meant an additional 300 groundballs that season which , combined with the righty staff, means Ryno got a lot more groundballs than average.
August 10, 200719 yr I would say yes, 6 fewer seasons for Kent, comparable in Hits, right now, more 2B's and HR's....so Yes, on offense. So you're telling me that if, say, we could invoke the hand of God and plant Jeff Kent, in his prime, into Joe Morgan's spot on the Big Red Machine, Kent would also have won the MVP in 75 and 76 and lead one of the greatest teams of all time -- a team that also featured the greatest catcher of all time and the all time hit king -- to consecutive WS titles? I have a great deal of respect for your knowledge of the game, but I have to object in the strongest possible terms to your suggestion that Jeff Kent could even hold Joe Morgan's jock. I can't believe you even think this. And you would be in a position to better remember Morgan than I.
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