June 21, 200719 yr At church on Wednesday we had a report on the Southern Baptist Convention. The speaker mentioned how some are wondering about some stories from the Old Testament whether they really happened. Adam & Eve, parting of the red Sea, Jonah and the Big Fish, Daniel and the lion's Den, etc. Well I wasn't happy but kept my mouth shut. I thought of the time where there was a certain group who had their Convention here in Louisville and they voted whether Jesus Christ was who he said he was . They voted in favor of Jesus but what stunned me was there was several "no" votes. Man has always tried to put their "think so's" into Religion. I understand interpretation of scriptures and man has the albility to pick, but to actually question the Bible on Basic stories concerns me. Where in scripture do you have "conventions" where men and women discuss issues. We have a list of "ByLaws" we use at church? Where do you find ByLaws in the Bible. Man needs to leave the Bible alone and quit getting together and trying to change things. I speaking of my own kind here. Now there are certain Baptists who are thinking of "speaking in Tongues". Well now they think they can do this all of a sudden? This "gift" has now become to them, but how did that happen? If a person wants to do that he needs to go to a church that does it and not try to change the format of the church. Men "think so's".
June 21, 200719 yr How can you question Adam and Eve? Well how can you challenge basic stories like that? Even Jewish people who don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah believe that Adam and Eve, Jonah, Daniel and all the Old Testament events occured.
June 21, 200719 yr How can you question Adam and Eve? Well how can you challenge basic stories like that? Even Jewish people who don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah believe that Adam and Eve, Jonah, Daniel and all the Old Testament events occured. You get this from the big Jewish community in Rockcastle? Not even close to true - the statement you make I mean.
June 21, 200719 yr You get this from the big Jewish community in Rockcastle? Not even close to true - the statement you make I mean. What makes you say so? These stories come direct from the Tanakh.
June 22, 200719 yr Those stories sure sound good. True or not they have good moral endings. I believe.
June 22, 200719 yr What makes you say so? These stories come direct from the Tanakh. Jewish tradition is way less literal in their understanding.
June 22, 200719 yr You get this from the big Jewish community in Rockcastle? Not even close to true - the statement you make I mean. WHAT? I guess I am on a role of completely having ideas from Left field. I always thought the Jewish Community believed in the Torah/Tanakh/Law Of Moses? I guess I was wrong. I am sorry if I offended you, being Jewish or whatever.
June 22, 200719 yr Jewish tradition is way less literal in their understanding. I have a number of very good Jewish friends and this statement simply is not true, at least not in a universal sense. Jesus nor the Apostles gave any indication that the Old Testament was merely to be regarded as a book of myths and fairy tales. Jesus’ own lineage traces back through Joseph, David, Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Noah, Methuselah all the way to Adam. This is presented as historical fact, not allegory. Moses is mentioned in the New Testament either by Jesus or the Apostles 84 times, Daniel by Jesus once, Lot four times (by Jesus three times and by Peter once) Adam seven times, Noah eight and Abraham 77 times. Jesus specifically mentioned Jonah eight times, and his three days in the belly of the great fish as historical fact. To suggest that any one of these individuals did not exist, or was not who the Bible says they were is to suggest that Jesus himself was not credible, and that there’s no basis for trusting anything in the Bible. That is a teaching I find very disturbing… (… to put it politely.) Either you choose to believe the Bible or you don’t. To base your evaluation upon the opinion of a bunch of lukewarm, secularized, semi-practitioners thousands of years after the facts is not a sound approach IMO. To forward this as proof of your conclusions is even worse, because it misleads others.
June 23, 200719 yr I have a number of very good Jewish friends and this statement simply is not true, at least not in a universal sense. Jesus nor the Apostles gave any indication that the Old Testament was merely to be regarded as a book of myths and fairy tales. Jesus’ own lineage traces back through Joseph, David, Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Noah, Methuselah all the way to Adam. This is presented as historical fact, not allegory. Moses is mentioned in the New Testament either by Jesus or the Apostles 84 times, Daniel by Jesus once, Lot four times (by Jesus three times and by Peter once) Adam seven times, Noah eight and Abraham 77 times. Jesus specifically mentioned Jonah eight times, and his three days in the belly of the great fish as historical fact. To suggest that any one of these individuals did not exist, or was not who the Bible says they were is to suggest that Jesus himself was not credible, and that there’s no basis for trusting anything in the Bible. That is a teaching I find very disturbing… (… to put it politely.) Either you choose to believe the Bible or you don’t. To base your evaluation upon the opinion of a bunch of lukewarm, secularized, semi-practitioners thousands of years after the facts is not a sound approach IMO. To forward this as proof of your conclusions is even worse, because it misleads others. When I say that someone does not take the Torah literally does not mean that they do not take it seriously and it does not mean that they don't believe the people in book existed. It simply means they don't read it as a history book, but do so as a religious book. Neither Orthodox, Reconstructionist or even Messianic Jews (generally speaking) take the Torah literally. They rely on the interpretations of Rabbi, that is why there is the Talmud and other books of interpretation. The Torah and the Law are taken very seriously, but not literally.
June 25, 200719 yr Author Now I've heard of a group of former baptists who are saying "God doesn't know what a man does until he does it...thats why bad things happen to good people". I ask the speaker...How would these folks explain the Old testament Prophecy concerning Jesus that came true in the New Testament". Again, these are Think so's of Man.
June 25, 200719 yr How about Revelations? I'm still confused. You're going to have to be more specific.
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.