Not according to the Bible they won't.

At least your own (and ONLY your own) personal interpretation of it.

Creationists believe that the Bible explains science.

No, it seems some of them (as evidenced here) believe it replaces it.

At least your own (and ONLY your own) personal interpretation of it.

When a person does not believe the Bible is the inherrant and inspired Word of God they assume that each person has a right to his/her personal interpretation. We do not. God's Word is God's Word. However, only the Holy Spirit can open your eyes to this ---- I cannot. So we will just have to agree to disagree.

However, only the Holy Spirit can open your eyes ---- I cannot. So we will just have to agree to disagree.

This is the first thing I can agree with -- word for word.

Martin Luther was not a literalist - just so we are clear.

 

When discrepancies occur in the Holy Scripture, and we cannot harmonize them, let them pass. It does not endanger the articles of the Christian faith.

 

--Martin Luther

Finally, although some insist that Augustine bases the authority of Scripture on its inerrancy, such a basis is problematic. In a response to Jerome, he declares, "For I confess to your charity that I have learned to yield this respect and honor only the canonical books of Scripture: of these alone do I most firmly believe that the authors were completely free from error

John Calvin - not inerrantist

 

The Scriptures are thus self-authenticating, and the attempt by a number of Reformed scholars to show that rational arguments for Calvin work inseparably along with the Holy Spirit to authenticate Scripture as God's Word to the reader simply finds inadequate support in the primary sources.95 Calvin is unconcerned with normal, human inaccuracies in minor matters. He says:

 

We know that, in quoting Scripture the apostles used freer language than the original, since they were content if what they quoted applied to their subject, and they were not over-careful in their use of words.96

 

God's communication is accommodated to man's limited capacity and He often "lisps" in speaking to us as nurses do with infants.97 God has chosen to use human means of communication to meet human beings at their point of need. His purpose is to persuade persons to be saved, and Scripture is quite adequate to accomplish that purpose when the Word and the Spirit are not separated.98

Oh my, but you are totally wrong. Creationists believe that the Bible explains science. Unfortunately fallable humans have twisted the biblical account of creation to fit nicely into their particular world view. They (most scientists who believe in evolution) hate to think that there just might be a Supreme being, an intelligent designer (God), who created this world . . . if they did believe this they would have to give Him all the glory and praise and bow down to worship Him instead of themselves and their humanistic new-age compadres.

Tell that to Galileo, Copernicus, Ptolemy and others.

 

Creationists totally ignore the fact that the universe is much older than 6000 years. It has nothing to do with evolution. Forget carbon dating. Ignore red shift. Consider the Andromeda Galaxy. It's the closest spiral galaxy to us. It's also more than 2.5 million light years from us. That means when I look at it now through my telescope, I'm seeing it as it was 2.5 million years ago. If the earth was truly only 6000 years old, our skies would be strangely dimmed at night, because many objects would be too far away for their light to reach us. The Lagoon Nebula wouldn't appear for another 500 years.

Martin Luther was not a literalist - just so we are clear.

 

When discrepancies occur in the Holy Scripture, and we cannot harmonize them, let them pass. It does not endanger the articles of the Christian faith.

 

--Martin Luther

To say that the Bible was important to Luther is as informative as to say that mathematics was important to Einstein. Anyone who has the slightest acquaintance with the Reformer's work knows that for him the Scriptures and the Scriptures alone were the only true source of true theology and the place where he rediscovered the central teaching of the Christian religion: that a man is saved, not by what he does, but by what God as already done for him in Jesus Christ. A passage such as the following - from one of Luther's sermons on John 3:16 - is entirely typical:

 

If a different way to heaven existed, no doubt God would have recorded it, but there is no other way. Therefore let us cling to these words, firmly place and rest our hearts upon them, close our eves and say: Although I had the merit of all saints, the holiness and purity of all virgins, and the piety of St. Peter himself, I would still consider my attainment nothing. Rather I must have a different foundation to build on, namely, these words: God has given His Son so that whosoever believes in Him whom the Father's love has sent shall be saved. And you must confidently insist that you will be preserved; and you must boldly take your stand on His words, which no devil, hell, or death can suppress. Therefore no matter what happens, you should say: There is God's Word. This is my rock and anchor. On it I rely, and it remains. Where it remains, I, too, remain; where it goes, I, too, go. The Word must stand, for God cannot lie; and heaven and earth must go to ruins before the most insignificant letter or tittle of His Word remains unfulfilled.7

The great monumental statues of Luther are indicative of his lifelong attitude toward Scripture.

From reading this I would say that he must have resolved his issues.

John Calvin - not inerrantist

 

The Scriptures are thus self-authenticating, and the attempt by a number of Reformed scholars to show that rational arguments for Calvin work inseparably along with the Holy Spirit to authenticate Scripture as God's Word to the reader simply finds inadequate support in the primary sources.95 Calvin is unconcerned with normal, human inaccuracies in minor matters. He says:

 

We know that, in quoting Scripture the apostles used freer language than the original, since they were content if what they quoted applied to their subject, and they were not over-careful in their use of words.96

 

God's communication is accommodated to man's limited capacity and He often "lisps" in speaking to us as nurses do with infants.97 God has chosen to use human means of communication to meet human beings at their point of need. His purpose is to persuade persons to be saved, and Scripture is quite adequate to accomplish that purpose when the Word and the Spirit are not separated.98

The two great Reformers, Luther and Calvin, bear testimony to biblical infallibility. Luther says, "But everyone, indeed, knows that at times they (the fathers) have erred as men will; therefore I am ready to trust them only when they prove their opinions from Scripture, which has never erred." While Calvin does not use the phrase "without error," there can be little question that he embraced inerrancy. Of the writers of the Gospels he comments, "The Spirit of God . . . appears purposely to have regulated their style in such a manner, that they all wrote one and the same history, with the most perfect agreement, but in different ways."

 

It appears that we are "interpretating" the same information in a very different way.

The most important thing we need to focus on is that Jesus is the only way to Heaven. I believe that satan tries to get us off on tangents and not deal with the main issue. For those of you that do not believe and trust in Jesus Christ, I do not think I can say anything that will change your mind. Sometimes only the Holy Spirit can make those changes. I do not claim to know everything. If you are a child of God then we can believe together that Jesus is the only way. I pray that the Holy Spirit will reveal to each of us the Truth.

Tell that to Galileo, Copernicus, Ptolemy and others.

 

Creationists totally ignore the fact that the universe is much older than 6000 years. It has nothing to do with evolution. Forget carbon dating. Ignore red shift. Consider the Andromeda Galaxy. It's the closest spiral galaxy to us. It's also more than 2.5 million light years from us. That means when I look at it now through my telescope, I'm seeing it as it was 2.5 million years ago. If the earth was truly only 6000 years old, our skies would be strangely dimmed at night, because many objects would be too far away for their light to reach us. The Lagoon Nebula wouldn't appear for another 500 years.

 

God uses a relatively large amount of space in Genesis 1 to make it very clear that He created the universe in six days. There is no mention of billions-of-years or any great period of time. However, many people still wonder whether or not the modern scientific belief that the earth and universe have existed for billions of years can be harmonized with a literal interpretation of the Bible.

 

Most Christians have heard the argument that the word “day” in Genesis does not mean a literal 24 hour type day, but rather that the “days” represent 6 great ages of time. This is often referred to as the day-age theory. Many people have wondered whether this argument is valid. It is true, after all, that the Hebrew word for day (yom) can have several different meanings, depending upon its context. However, it is our opinion that when all the facts are gathered, it is abundantly clear that God communicated with precision that all creation took place during the time period of six, normal, 24-hour type days.

 

 

The Hebrew word for day (yom) can have several different meanings. The meaning is always clear when read in context.

 

The first reference to “day” in the creation account is in the context of a 24 hour cycle of light and dark, “And God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day” (NASV, see Genesis One).

 

When the word “day” is used with a number, such as day one, day two, etc., it always refers to a literal, 24 hour type day. This is true 100% of the time. This holds true all 359 times that “day” is used with an ordinal modifier (number) outside of Genesis chapter 1.

 

There is no Biblical indication that “day” is used differently in the beginning chapter of Genesis than it is throughout the rest of the book, or the rest of the Old Testament.

 

The “days” in Genesis 1 are always specifically used in connection with the words “evening and morning.” This phrase is used with “day” 38 times in the Old Testament, not counting Genesis chapter 1. Each time, without exception, the phrase refers to a normal 24 hour type day. It is also important to note that this phrase is never used in the Old Testament in a manner which is obviously metaphoric.

 

When the phrase “evening and morning” is coupled with a numbered modifier and the word “yom”, there is no stronger way of specifying a normal day. We understand that Genesis is describing six Earth rotations, not an unspecified period of billions of years.

 

We see therefore that a study of the Hebrew text of Genesis 1 states in clear language that creation took place during the period of six, normal 24-hour type days. Further evidence of this conclusion is given in Exodus 20:11. This passage, written in stone by the finger of God Himself, states, “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day.” God, the only witness to the creation events, testifies that all things were created within a literal six day period.

 

Ultimately, whether one accepts this information or not probably depends more upon their interpretation of science than of the scriptures. For without the consideration of modern scientific theories of the age of the universe, there can be little reason to question the clear communication of the Bible.

 

As stated by Pattle P.T. Pun, a leading progressive creationist, “It is apparent that the most straightforward understanding of the Genesis record, without regard to all of the hermeneutical considerations suggested by science, is that God created heaven and earth in six solar days, that man was created in the sixth day, that death and chaos entered the world after the fall of Adam and Eve, that all of the fossils were the result of the catastrophic universal deluge which spared only Noah's family and the animals therewith.” [Pattle P.T. Pun, “A Theology of Progressive Creationism,” Journal of the American Scientific Affiliation, Vol. 39, No. 1 (Ipswich, MA: March 1987), p. 14]

 

As in all areas of theology, God allows each believer to decide which side to take on a controversial topic. It must be noted, however, that the Scriptures are emphatically clear on this issue. The billions-of-years timescale estimated by modern scientific theories cannot be harmonized with the literal interpretation of the Bible by resorting to the misguided notion of a day-age.

Both Creationists and evolutionists are dealing with facts. The difference is how we interpret them. Creationist start with Gods Word. Evolutionsts do not. For those who are not children of God we have different viewpoints. For those who are Christians we "should" start with the same viewpoints.

Both Creationists and evolutionists are dealing with facts. The difference is how we interpret them. Creationist start with Gods Word. Evolutionsts do not. For those who are not children of God we have different viewpoints. For those who are Christians we "should" start with the same viewpoints.

Exactly, it is going to be difficult to argue with either side unless we have the same starting point. So while engaging in a lively debate may provide us with a brief bully pulpit the fact still remains that we are likely not going to change anyone's mind. The bottom line and most important question is do you have a PERSONAL relationship with the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? This answer to this question has eternal consequences. It is my hope and prayer that all who profess the name of Christian have truly met and know the Savior. God bless.:thumb:

Exactly, it is going to be difficult to argue with either side unless we have the same starting point. So while engaging in a lively debate may provide us with a brief bully pulpit the fact still remains that we are likely not going to change anyone's mind. The bottom line and most important question is do you have a PERSONAL relationship with the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? This answer to this question has eternal consequences. It is my hope and prayer that all who profess the name of Christian have truly met and know the Savior. God bless.:thumb:

Agreed!:thumb: