And your point is that homosexuality is a healthy endeavor? As I said, he may have been abrasive (ie: not politically correct) but his message that homosexuality is "less than positive" is hard to dispute.

 

 

All I'm saying is that the man tried to tell us about the dangers of homosexuality. Many of us didn't listen. He fought the good fight but obviously it was too strong for him. If it wasn't that, it was feminism.

"I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'"

 

"AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals"

 

"I do question the sincerity and non-violent intentions of some civil rights leaders such as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.,"

 

The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country.

 

“Billy Graham is the chief servant of Satan in America”

 

“I do not believe we can blame genetics for adultery, homosexuality, dishonesty and other character flaws”

 

 

 

I do not think that Mr. Falwell was as gifted in humility as he was finger pointing. Is finger pointing a spiritual gift?

"I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'"

 

"AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals"

 

"I do question the sincerity and non-violent intentions of some civil rights leaders such as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.,"

 

The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country.

 

“Billy Graham is the chief servant of Satan in America”

 

“I do not believe we can blame genetics for adultery, homosexuality, dishonesty and other character flaws”

 

 

 

I do not think that Mr. Falwell was as gifted in humility as he was finger pointing. Is finger pointing a spiritual gift?

 

 

I have no doubt that Falwell made many statements similar to the above. However, he also helped many of his fellow human beings. I would suspect that we could come up with a list of controversial statements from most any person. Possibly we could start with some of the liberal "revs" and "do gooders".

 

The point is that neither Falwell nor anyone else should be judeged by a few statements. If you pick and choose, ignore circumstances, and take out of context, you can do a real "job" on Christ, St. Paul, St. Peter, and all the others.

http://home.trbc.org/

 

The programs his church are involved in that were questioning whether he was involved in anything good.

 

It has mentoring, tutoring and other positive outreach programs.

http://www.thecenter.cn/

The CENTER is an outreach of Thomas Road Baptist Church making a positive impact spiritually, academically, physically, and socially in the lives of Lynchburg's inner-city children and youth from challenging circumstances.

 

A program for alcoholics

http://home.trbc.org/index.cfm?PID=9057

January of 1959 because of the great need for a place where alcoholics could be helped spiritually, and because of the leading of the Holy Spirit, Elim Home for Alcoholics was established by Dr. Jerry Falwell. It was never proposed to give medical or psychiatric help. We require that each man coming to Elim be sober and in his right mind, seeking permanent and spiritual deliverance.

The Elim Home was first located in Appomattox county, near Stonewall,VA. It is now located in Amherst county, six miles North of Lynchburg. The home is located on property donated by the past directors, Ray & Amanda Horsley. They directed the ministry from 1964 until his death in 1984. Their son David joined with them in 1980 and is now the present director.

 

http://www.falwell.com/

Liberty Godparent Foundation

We're Offering Hope and Peace

 

Whether a girl parents her child or places him/her for adoption a common goal must be sought. All things can be achieved through offering a New Hope and Future for all we come into contact with. That is the mission of the Liberty Godparent Foundation.

 

Beyond Liberty University, he has been involved in a private K-12 school.

Liberty Christian University

 

The LCA Advantage

 

With innovative curriculum, experienced faculty and staff, championship athletic teams, scholarship opportunities, and Christ-centered teaching, LCA offers an educational advantage for children of all ages!

 

 

 

 

So it seems that there are several, even many, positives that he has been centrally involved in that have positively affected people's lives. The national media I don't believe has ever covered his ACTIONS as much as they cover a 7 or 8 word statement.

 

I was always told to judge a man by his actions more than by his words. Should that not hold true for Mr. Falwell, too?

I have no doubt that Falwell made many statements similar to the above. However, he also helped many of his fellow human beings. I would suspect that we could come up with a list of controversial statements from most any person. Possibly we could start with some of the liberal "revs" and "do gooders".

 

The point is that neither Falwell nor anyone else should be judeged by a few statements. If you pick and choose, ignore circumstances, and take out of context, you can do a real "job" on Christ, St. Paul, St. Peter, and all the others.

 

Are any of the statements I quoted above out of context in that Mr. Falwell really didn't espouse the view being stated on the face?

 

 

I was always told to judge a man by his actions more than by his words. Should that not hold true for Mr. Falwell, too?

 

If mouthing off is what you "do", wouldn't the words and the actions be one in the same?

Are any of the statements I quoted above out of context in that Mr. Falwell really didn't espouse the view being stated on the face?

 

 

 

If mouthing off is what you "do", wouldn't the words and the actions be one in the same?

It sures seems that the ministries and activities that are listed on his and the websites I listed stand in contrast to the image that he has developed through the national media.

 

Or would you have expected the person that you have an image of because of those comments to be involved in starting programs for alcoholics, teen mothers, inner city tutoring and mentoring programs, Christian schools for K through college and I am sure hundreds of other programs that we don't know about?

Sorry to hear about him.

 

He did a lot of good and I enjoyed listening to him. We need more people in the Faith to stand up.

Are any of the statements I quoted above out of context in that Mr. Falwell really didn't espouse the view being stated on the face?

 

 

 

If mouthing off is what you "do", wouldn't the words and the actions be one in the same?

 

Are you equally critical of the "reverands" on your side of the political spectrum. Jackson, Sharpton, and the rest have provided an abundance of reasons for a discerning person to conclude that they are, to be kind, prostitutes of the first order.

 

I suspect that many didn't like Falwell because, although he was abrasive and could have shown more reserve, he spoke enough of the truth to make them feel uncomfortable. I didn't always agree with him and I will be the first to say that he lived very well off his constituents. However, he did say a lot that needed to be said and it didn't need to be sugarcoated to please the rationalizers and the politically correct crowd.

Found this quote that might give his view of starting a conservative movement in a different light.

 

"Just as the black church never again has to be indoctrinated to get involved politically, neither does the evangelical church."

I have no doubt that Falwell made many statements similar to the above. However, he also helped many of his fellow human beings. I would suspect that we could come up with a list of controversial statements from most any person. Possibly we could start with some of the liberal "revs" and "do gooders".

 

The point is that neither Falwell nor anyone else should be judeged by a few statements. If you pick and choose, ignore circumstances, and take out of context, you can do a real "job" on Christ, St. Paul, St. Peter, and all the others.

 

...and yet many will be on here criticizing as soon as someone on the "other side" says/does something.

...and yet many will be on here criticizing as soon as someone on the "other side" says/does something.

Which is no worse then the treatment that conservatives have gotten from liberals here.

 

I listend to Mike Gallagher today. He played sound clips from Anderson Cooper's program on CNN last night, just a few hours after Falwell's death. His guest was renowned athiest and religion hater Christipher Hitchings. Cooper asked Hitchings if he did believe in Heaven did he think that Falwell was there. During his answer Hitchings said among other things:

 

I wish I believed in Hell because if I did I'm sure that is where Falwell is now.

 

Falwell was an evil little toad who preyed on weak minded people.

 

Falwell was an evil charlitan that didn't believe one word of what he said and wasn't intelligent enough to read, let alone understand the bible.

 

It went on for several minutes. Can you imagine the outrage the left would show if one of their icons, lets say Bill Clinton for example, died and within hours someone on the Fox Network began bashing him as a lying adulterer with the morals of a snake?

Which is no worse then the treatment that conservatives have gotten from liberals here.

 

I listend to Mike Gallagher today. He played sound clips from Anderson Cooper's program on CNN last night, just a few hours after Falwell's death. His guest was renowned athiest and religion hater Christipher Hitchings. Cooper asked Hitchings if he did believe in Heaven did he think that Falwell was there. During his answer Hitchings said among other things:

 

I wish I believed in Hell because if I did I'm sure that is where Falwell is now.

 

Falwell was an evil little toad who preyed on weak minded people.

 

Falwell was an evil charlitan that didn't believe one word of what he said and wasn't intelligent enough to read, let alone understand the bible.

 

It went on for several minutes. Can you imagine the outrage the left would show if one of their icons, lets say Bill Clinton for example, died and within hours someone on the Fox Network began bashing him as a lying adulterer with the morals of a snake?

 

I saw that and was appalled. Apparently Hitchens is representative of what CNN believes to be valid "viewpoints" on 360.

Which is no worse then the treatment that conservatives have gotten from liberals here.

 

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That's my point.

 

If a you're on the right and Falwell dies, you(collective you) say "yeah, he said some things that weren't right but lets look at his good deeds."

 

That thinking never comes up if its someone on the "other side." The good deeds are ignored.

 

Same for the reverse situation.

 

So , its disingenuous if you're not 100% consistent.

Communist News Network strikes again. Except for Glenn Beck (on Headline News), they have no meaningful purpose in life.

 

The previous post was correct, if someone bashed Clinton or MLK hours after they passed for being adulters or worse they would be hammered by everyone in the press.

 

Bringing on an athiest to discuss the death of Jerry Falwell is like brininging Osama on to discuss the death of Americans.

 

Let those on the liberal side without sin, cast the first stone.

 

 

RIP in Rev. Falwell....Go rest high on the mountain.

How much you want to bet that his controversial statements get the lion's share of media play over the next few days?

 

Thats the liberal media for ya:thumb: