33rd, 34th & 35th District Pairings?

[Miller]

Anyone have the pairings and sites?

[Theoldguy]

The 35th District blind draw between Beechwood, CovCath and Cov Holy Cross to see who gets to play Cov Holmes will be done on Wednesday at 1pm, and the games will be played at Cov Meinken Field.

 

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[WebGems37]

In the 33rd, Conner plays Heritage for the right to face Ryle in the semi. Boone and St. Henry face off in the other semi.

[Diamond Dandy]

In the 33rd, Conner plays Heritage for the right to face Ryle in the semi. Boone and St. Henry face off in the other semi.

 

Any dates yet? Are all the district games still at Boone?

[Coachg13207]

The 35th District blind draw between Beechwood, CovCath and Cov Holy Cross to see who gets to play Cov Holmes will be done on Wednesday at 1pm, and the games will be played at Cov Meinken Field.

 

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Beechwood gets the 1 seed .They play Holmes on Tuesday .Cov Cath plays HC on Monday . Cov Cath has graduation on Tuesday .Championship on Wed. All games are at Meiken .

[changeup]

33rd District at Boone County: All games at 5PM

 

Monday- Heritage vs. Conner

Tuesday- Ryle vs. Heritage/Conner

Wednesday- St. Henry vs. Boone

Thursday- Championship Game

 

33rd District Softball is at Boone as well so parking could be an issue.

[3ptshooter]

33rd District at Boone County: All games at 5PM

 

Monday- Heritage vs. Conner

Tuesday- Ryle vs. Heritage/Conner

Wednesday- St. Henry vs. Boone

Thursday- Championship Game

 

33rd District Softball is at Boone as well so parking could be an issue.

 

I would guess that the softball fans would park out beyond LF in the parking lot behind SOAS. If the Boone parking lot gets full, what a gate for both games!!

[DoubleDeuce22]

34th District

5/21/07 - 5 PM

Lloyd vs. Ludlow (@ Ludlow)

Villa vs. Dixie (@ Turkeyfoot)

 

Championship game - 5/23 @ Lloyd, 5 PM.

[cooperstown]

I am trying to educate myself on some of the NKY district playoff process and wondered if someone can explain a few things to me.

 

I believe the districts are as follows:

 

District 33 - Ryle, Boone Cty., Conner, St. Henry, Heritage

District 34 - Dixie, Lloyd, Ludlow, Villa

District 35 - CovCath, Holy Cross, Beechwood, Holmes, Cov. Latin

District 36 - Highlands, NewCath, Newport, Bellevue, Dayton

 

1) Who sets up these districts? I understand they were reorganized recently.

 

2) Not meaning offense to anyone, but how is District 34 fair? When you look at 33 and 35 and compare them to 34, it just doesn't seem the least bit equitable. This is especially true when you consider that either Holy Cross or Cov Cath's season ends tonight, yet two of the District 34 teams will move on to regionals.

 

3) Why does Heritage play in the playoffs, but does not play their district opponents during the regular season? The obvious answer, I assume, is that they choose not to schedule opponents with whom they can't compete. But if such is the case, why are they allowed to play in the playoffs? I guess I ask that question because it appears that Covington Latin does not participate in their district's tournament?

 

4) Why are Scott and Simon Kenton not included in any of these districts? If done geographically, certainly Scott could be included in District 34, could they not?

 

5) Are the pairings in the regionals done blind or do they attempt to seed the teams? I know that #1's play the #2's and that you cannot play a team from your home district. I guess this question relates back to question #1 - if done blindly, having (at least) one district far weaker than the others looks like it could really impact this tourney.

 

OK, enough q's for now. Just trying to understand how this process works. And, again, no offense intended to anyone. Obviously, some of the schools are much smaller and it becomes very tough to compete with the Ryle/CC/HC/Boone's of the world.

[cshs81]

I am trying to educate myself on some of the NKY district playoff process and wondered if someone can explain a few things to me.

 

I believe the districts are as follows:

 

District 33 - Ryle, Boone Cty., Conner, St. Henry, Heritage

District 34 - Dixie, Lloyd, Ludlow, Villa

District 35 - CovCath, Holy Cross, Beechwood, Holmes, Cov. Latin

District 36 - Highlands, NewCath, Newport, Bellevue, Dayton

 

1) Who sets up these districts? I understand they were reorganized recently.

 

2) Not meaning offense to anyone, but how is District 34 fair? When you look at 33 and 35 and compare them to 34, it just doesn't seem the least bit equitable. This is especially true when you consider that either Holy Cross or Cov Cath's season ends tonight, yet two of the District 34 teams will move on to regionals.

 

3) Why does Heritage play in the playoffs, but does not play their district opponents during the regular season? The obvious answer, I assume, is that they choose not to schedule opponents with whom they can't compete. But if such is the case, why are they allowed to play in the playoffs? I guess I ask that question because it appears that Covington Latin does not participate in their district's tournament?

 

4) Why are Scott and Simon Kenton not included in any of these districts? If done geographically, certainly Scott could be included in District 34, could they not?

 

5) Are the pairings in the regionals done blind or do they attempt to seed the teams? I know that #1's play the #2's and that you cannot play a team from your home district. I guess this question relates back to question #1 - if done blindly, having (at least) one district far weaker than the others looks like it could really impact this tourney.

 

OK, enough q's for now. Just trying to understand how this process works. And, again, no offense intended to anyone. Obviously, some of the schools are much smaller and it becomes very tough to compete with the Ryle/CC/HC/Boone's of the world.

 

The KHSAA sets up the districts and its for not just baseball but also basketball. I have no idea what their process is but , simply put, you're going to end up with scenarios like the 35th vs the 34th. If you're not seeding an entire region, you're going to end up with these types of pairings. Is it a big deal? Not really. If you can't beat a team in your district, the weakness of another district is irrelevant.

 

Scott and SK are now in different regions. Scott - 10th. SK - 8th.

[bulldog77]

Well let's see, I'll try to give you the answers as I understand them.

 

#1 The KHSAA sets up all districts and regions on a roughly geographical basis trying to keep a similar number of TOTAL teams in each region.

 

#2 While in your judgement the Districts are "uneven" in terms of perceived competitiveness, this is not always so on a year to year basis. Most programs ebb and flow in terms of talent over the course of years so the competitiveness of each district does the same. Also remember, these districts are used for other sports besides baseball.

 

#3 Any member of the KHSAA may choose to "forfeit" it's games in a district that uses seeding as the process for setting up their district tournament and thusly receives the bottom seed in their district. Thusly Heritage chooses to play a regular season schedule without the Boones, Ryles, etc.

 

#4 Simon Kenton was moved to the 8th region last year and Scott moved to the 10 region as well into a district which also includes Campbell Co. Brossart, Calvary and Silver Grove. Remember, while we perceive both the aforemention schools as Kenton County Schools, lines on a map do not follow the same ideas. Geographically, in order to equitably divide the number of schools into fairly even numbers, some Northern Kentucky Schools had to be moved into other regions.

 

#5 Regional pairings are done as follows: each regional winner draws from a hat for their position (1, 3, 5, 7) in the brackets. The regional runner-ups then will choose blindly for one of two positions in the bracket opposite the winner of their region, and playing another District's winner.

 

You seem to be concerned with the "fairness" of the bracketing and play-off process. The truth is until Baseball is classified there can never be a truly "fair" playoff process. You simply cannot seed the regional because teams do not play each other who made be in the Regional. Subjective "seeding" like is done with the NCAA is clearly NOT fair in any way shape or form because it is strictly opinion. While the process is indeed flawed, it is what it is and you show up, play who you are supposed to play and win the ballgame and move on. No where after the District Tournaments in some districts is the tournament "seeded" because it would be literally impossible to do.

[cooperstown]

The KHSAA sets up the districts and its for not just baseball but also basketball. I have no idea what their process is but , simply put, you're going to end up with scenarios like the 35th vs the 34th. If you're not seeding an entire region, you're going to end up with these types of pairings. Is it a big deal? Not really. If you can't beat a team in your district, the weakness of another district is irrelevant.

 

Scott and SK are now in different regions. Scott - 10th. SK - 8th.

 

I guess the thing that sticks out to me most is the size of the schools they have placed in these districts. 34 contains much smaller sized schools than the others and it's just logical to assume that, for the most part, smaller schools can't compete with the larger ones.

 

CC & HC are without a doubt two of the top 8 schools in the region. Heck, they are probably both in the top 3. To send one home tonight, yet know that Ludlow/Lloyd/or Villa will advance to regionals hardly seems fair. The weakness of another district seems relevent if one or more of the other districts is stacked and ends up beating up on each other while lesser teams advance.

[cooperstown]

Well let's see, I'll try to give you the answers as I understand them.

 

#1 The KHSAA sets up all districts and regions on a roughly geographical basis trying to keep a similar number of TOTAL teams in each region.

 

#2 While in your judgement the Districts are "uneven" in terms of perceived competitiveness, this is not always so on a year to year basis. Most programs ebb and flow in terms of talent over the course of years so the competitiveness of each district does the same. Also remember, these districts are used for other sports besides baseball.

 

#3 Any member of the KHSAA may choose to "forfeit" it's games in a district that uses seeding as the process for setting up their district tournament and thusly receives the bottom seed in their district. Thusly Heritage chooses to play a regular season schedule without the Boones, Ryles, etc.

 

#4 Simon Kenton was moved to the 8th region last year and Scott moved to the 10 region as well into a district which also includes Campbell Co. Brossart, Calvary and Silver Grove. Remember, while we perceive both the aforemention schools as Kenton County Schools, lines on a map do not follow the same ideas. Geographically, in order to equitably divide the number of schools into fairly even numbers, some Northern Kentucky Schools had to be moved into other regions.

 

#5 Regional pairings are done as follows: each regional winner draws from a hat for their position (1, 3, 5, 7) in the brackets. The regional runner-ups then will choose blindly for one of two positions in the bracket opposite the winner of their region, and playing another District's winner.

 

You seem to be concerned with the "fairness" of the bracketing and play-off process. The truth is until Baseball is classified there can never be a truly "fair" playoff process. You simply cannot seed the regional because teams do not play each other who made be in the Regional. Subjective "seeding" like is done with the NCAA is clearly NOT fair in any way shape or form because it is strictly opinion. While the process is indeed flawed, it is what it is and you show up, play who you are supposed to play and win the ballgame and move on. No where after the District Tournaments in some districts is the tournament "seeded" because it would be literally impossible to do.

 

Thanks for the information! Here's my followup q's:

 

I understand what you're saying in the last paragraph, but how is making a reasonable attempt at seeding fairly any less fair than doing a blind draw? A blind draw can be, and often is, the most unfair way to do things.

 

Also understand your point in #2 above - a good team this year may not be so good next year. However . . . boy, no good way to avoid this sounding like a cheapshot and it's just not meant to be . . . when was the last time that Lloyd, Ludlow, or Villa produced a solid baseball team on any sort of regular basis? Honestly asking, I really don't know.

[bulldog77]

Thanks for the information! Here's my followup q's:

 

I understand what you're saying in the last paragraph, but how is making a reasonable attempt at seeding fairly any less fair than doing a blind draw? A blind draw can be, and often is, the most unfair way to do things.

 

Also understand your point in #2 above - a good team this year may not be so good next year. However . . . boy, no good way to avoid this sounding like a cheapshot and it's just not meant to be . . . when was the last time that Lloyd, Ludlow, or Villa produced a solid baseball team on any sort of regular basis? Honestly asking, I really don't know.

 

 

Frankly, with a blind draw, all teams stand an even chance at the beginning of the draw. In no other method can you say that. Bias, opinion, exposure, all take away form the credibility of the subjective seeding process. In your statements alone, you concede that you feel the bigger schools are usually better and thusly your bias alone would color your ability to subjectively seed teams. By taking away those sentiments and drawing blindly, you at least start out even for every team.

 

Actually Lloyd has been traditionally a very strong baseball program over the past 30 to 40 years. Villa has produced a number of good teams over the years including a pretty fair squad last year. And, need I remind anyone of Ludlow's stunner over CovCath a couple years ago that knocked the Blue Colonels out of the Regional all together? In my mind, all seeding does is provide traditional powers an un-needed leg up on schools trying to build or compete with fewer students or lesser facilities. Solve the problem and classify the sport.

[cooperstown]

Frankly, with a blind draw, all teams stand an even chance at the beginning of the draw. In no other method can you say that. Bias, opinion, exposure, all take away form the credibility of the subjective seeding process. In your statements alone, you concede that you feel the bigger schools are usually better and thusly your bias alone would color your ability to subjectively seed teams. By taking away those sentiments and drawing blindly, you at least start out even for every team.

 

Actually Lloyd has been traditionally a very strong baseball program over the past 30 to 40 years. Villa has produced a number of good teams over the years including a pretty fair squad last year. And, need I remind anyone of Ludlow's stunner over CovCath a couple years ago that knocked the Blue Colonels out of the Regional all together? In my mind, all seeding does is provide traditional powers an un-needed leg up on schools trying to build or compete with fewer students or lesser facilities. Solve the problem and classify the sport.

 

Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about the blind draw process. Yes, my summer team plays in tournament all the time in which brackets/pool play is done blindly. I don't have a problem with that when you don't have a good measuring stick for all these teams coming from different areas. But when it's all local, it would seem there is some basis to seed. And I don't know that my statement that bigger schools frequently produce better teams than smaller schools would so color my mindset that I would not be able to fairly recognize and seed a smaller-sized school having a very solid year. In fact, I'm sure it wouldn't. I certainly agree the classification would seem to be the answer. Wonder what the opposition to this is?

 

Just out of curiosity and for my own edification, I'm going to try to find a listing of the state finalists over the past ten years or so and see how many came from "smaller" schools.