Come to Jefferson County and I'll introduce you to several wh think the idea is stupid.

...if someone else who didn't know my view thought I was picking on the privates.

I'm not sure you meant to word that just that way.

I don't doubt your 95% figure for your area. In NKY I would estimate the percentage to be at least 90% NOT favoring a split. (Only 1 NKY school voted for the proposal I believe). Given that NKY has a mix of private and public schools why do you think it is different in this area?

I agree with your NKY figures. Virtually no one up here is for such a split. People up here tend to welcome competition with their traditional rivals and can see through the real motives of the split advocates.

 

I can't speak for what it's like in Pendleton County or some of the other rural areas; but I think the core counties are solidly in the non-split corner. :thumb:

It's easy to say that when it's not your bull being gored.

 

And it's not the kids that want the split. I haven't heard one public school SA say that they favor the split. It the so called adults that are mucking this up.

 

You must not have talked to many kids from public schools. I have. But I am against the split. But every girl I have talked to about it wants it. Because some of the kids know I keep up with whats going on with this, they come and ask me about it and want to know not if the split is going to happen, but when its going to happen. Kids are smart, they understand classifacation of basketball( they know if they for instance played only in 2A then they have a much better chance of winning) and most have expressed interest in a class system to me. They also understand that the last six or so champoinships have come from private schools with players that were playing on a team that was not even in the same county that they lived in. Pretty hard to explain to a kid how that happens when they cant have kids from other counties.

You must not have talked to many kids from public schools. I have. But I am against the split. But every girl I have talked to about it wants it. Because some of the kids know I keep up with whats going on with this, they come and ask me about it and want to know not if the split is going to happen, but when its going to happen. Kids are smart, they understand classifacation of basketball( they know if they for instance played only in 2A then they have a much better chance of winning) and most have expressed interest in a class system to me. They also understand that the last six or so champoinships have come from private schools with players that were playing on a team that was not even in the same county that they lived in. Pretty hard to explain to a kid how that happens when they cant have kids from other counties.

Explain to them that your school system has chosen not to accept students from outside your county. Explain that some schools (public and private) do not draw students from just the county (or state) the school building is situated in. Explain that your county has self imposed this limitation because they think it is what's best for the students within their county but those limitations will not work at every school and it would not be right for your school district to expect every school in the state to limit themselves in the way that you have chosen to. Seems pretty easy to me.

All Tell - That's the best explanation of the situation I've heard in a long time. :thumb:

I can be reasonable on occasion.

You must not have talked to many kids from public schools. I have. But I am against the split. But every girl I have talked to about it wants it. Because some of the kids know I keep up with whats going on with this, they come and ask me about it and want to know not if the split is going to happen, but when its going to happen. Kids are smart, they understand classifacation of basketball( they know if they for instance played only in 2A then they have a much better chance of winning) and most have expressed interest in a class system to me. They also understand that the last six or so champoinships have come from private schools with players that were playing on a team that was not even in the same county that they lived in. Pretty hard to explain to a kid how that happens when they cant have kids from other counties.

 

You also could have told them that the boys state champion has come from public schools teams for the last five years....and six of the last seven....and since 1990 only two private school have won it. So why the big difference, you explain that to them....

If I did then they would ask me about 4A football. What would you have me tell them about that? Kids are smarter than you are giving them credit for. Here is you a little research. Go look up the past 10 years in all high school sports and come back with the winners seperated , public and private. Come back and tell everyone what you found. Then I am sure you are gonna have alot that want to talk to you.

Kids are smarter than you are giving them credit for.

Then I'm sure they're smart enough to see the bigger picture, and that records, statistics and any other kind of data can always be spun to the advantage of any point of view.

For the families that you mention, would a waiver stating their attentions when their children ENTER MS (I am assuming most MS's have a 6th grade) suffice? They could sign it that their attention is for their children to attend private/public middle school and then go to the opposite one in HS. No penalty. All know the plans.

 

 

I think the big thing with the public HS's on this matter is when THEY make a COMMITMENT to a player. They choose that 7th or 8th grader over a HS player and give them the time in games and practice to development, knowing that in the long-term it will make their varsity better and then their freshmen year, they leave for the local private school. They spend spring and summertime practicing and taking players to leagues and then that player leaves for what is PERCEIVED as greener pastures.

 

 

On the first point above. You could do a 'waiver' but what an administration nightmare that would be. Again, a politically defined 'feeder' system can be defined on paper but it does not match numerous view on how parents plan to educate their children.

 

On the second point above, the first problem I have is MSers displacing true HSers on HS teams in general, regardless of ability. I continue to be a stickler on the 'participation' aspect of youth sports. I believe that when MSers are select INSTEAD of true HSers that this is a problem. When MSers are used to supplement a thin team it seems to make sense. To expand on this concept the practice also denies good MSers a chance to develop leadership skills as the top players and leaders in their own age good assume they forsake their MS team to play 'up'.

 

The easy and fair 'fix' is the enforce KHSAA rules and standards for any player that voluntarily participates in a KHSAA sport. Simply, enforce the transfer rule for students between 8th grade and freshman IF THEY PARTICIPATE IN A KHSAA SPORT WHILE IN MS. I have no problem with the rule for student who voluntarily commit to play 'up' while in MS. If you are going to run with the big dogs then you have to accept the big dog rules. I believe this makes life much, much simplier for the average student and parents while forcing an 'all star' players and parents to think hard about playing up and appearing to commit to a coach or school as described in the second item above.

 

Of course, as discussed in this thread there are motives that have nothing to do with supposed subject at hand, so the fix that makes the most sense will be discarded for the ones that match the goals of the other motives.

Then I'm sure they're smart enough to see the bigger picture, and that records, statistics and any other kind of data can always be spun to the advantage of any point of view.

 

I dont have to spin anything. The numbers will speak for themselves. I am a black and white guy.:thumb:

Explain to them that your school system has chosen not to accept students from outside your county. Explain that some schools (public and private) do not draw students from just the county (or state) the school building is situated in. Explain that your county has self imposed this limitation because they think it is what's best for the students within their county but those limitations will not work at every school and it would not be right for your school district to expect every school in the state to limit themselves in the way that you have chosen to. Seems pretty easy to me.

Funny how over and over I here that open enrollment will make the counties equal. My county has a decent education history with what I believe is the ONLY school in the state with a Nobel Prize winner in science among their alum and open enrollment. Recently, we went to the sweet 16 basketball and had one of the best teams in the state.

 

Not a single kid has moved in from a surrounding county since then.

 

Seems like open enrollment IS NOT the cure or the self limitation as you put it. It might benefit the urban schools but I believe that is the end of it's benefits to public schools.

If I did then they would ask me about 4A football. What would you have me tell them about that? Kids are smarter than you are giving them credit for. Here is you a little research. Go look up the past 10 years in all high school sports and come back with the winners seperated , public and private. Come back and tell everyone what you found. Then I am sure you are gonna have alot that want to talk to you.

 

 

Why not go back to the history of the KHSAA..... or at least back to the 60's! Why only 10 years?

 

Oh I know, the Privates are starting to catch up.... So as long as the Privates knew there place, and didn't win, they could play....but if they start to win.....well then.....

 

Listen, this isn't a private vs. public problem, it's a urban vs. rural one. The large city schools of Louisville, Lexington, Bowling Green, etc. are going to win those titles even when you kick out the privates schools. So then what will you do, or cry about.....

Seems like open enrollment IS NOT the cure or the self limitation as you put it. It might benefit the urban schools but I believe that is the end of it's benefits to public schools.

Hmm...then it sounds like we're fresh out of problems here. I thought open enrollment WAS the problem that the split proponents were holding up as their scapegoat-du-jour.