I've been hit twice and survived, I wonder what the odds of that is?

What is it about rain and thunder that compels you to venture outdoors?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Good post RM. I agree with you as always.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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What's silly? To register firearms? To ban fire arms? To confiscate firearms? I guess it depends on which end of the barrel your facing that determines the answer to that question.

 

I have never, will never, own a firearm. I do not have a problem with you owning a firearm. I do have a problem with the fact that it's really no big deal to buy a firearm, and to register it, with no further requirements for safety training or proof of responsible use/storage.

 

I agree with leatherneck that responsible gun ownership is 99% commonsense. I think though, that 50% of owners with less than 99% commonsense to their credit poses a great enough risk to require a gun saftey test requirement for even a registration.

 

I have no problem with people who collect guns, or who hunt with guns. But, I think people who say they need a gun for protection are blowing hot air and are the ones who are dangerous. Unless you lead a risky lifestyle or live in a high crime neighborhood, I don't see how anyone can justify the "need" of a gun for personal safety. It's inviting trouble.

 

Most of the upper middle class students at VTECH probably thought the same thing. "I will never get shot, it will never happen to me."

 

Its not a perfect world. Accidents are going to happen and keep happening. Illegal immigrants in the United States kill more people each year, then your accident gun death figures.

 

The majority of people who have guns, know to to handle them and store them. If you carry a gun concealed in KY, you have to take an 8 hour course, along with a written test, and have to qualify at the range, in order to apply for a concealed weapons license.

 

As I previously said, 9/11 taught us our government can always protect us. Virginia Tech and several other instances have taught us the police can't always protect us. At the end of the day when you look into the mirror, its up to you to protect yourself and your family.

Most of the upper middle class students at VTECH probably thought the same thing. "I will never get shot, it will never happen to me."

 

Its not a perfect world. Accidents are going to happen and keep happening. Illegal immigrants in the United States kill more people each year, then your accident gun death figures.

 

The majority of people who have guns, know to to handle them and store them. If you carry a gun concealed in KY, you have to take an 8 hour course, along with a written test, and have to qualify at the range, in order to apply for a concealed weapons license.

 

As I previously said, 9/11 taught us our government can always protect us. Virginia Tech and several other instances have taught us the police can't always protect us. At the end of the day when you look into the mirror, its up to you to protect yourself and your family.

Just like the Minutemen!!!!

I guess if everyone is ok with losing ~3000 kids a year by gun, whether accidental, homicide or sucide, I'll not argue with you.

 

In Kentucky, it's "only" ~40 a year. I guess that makes it insignificant.

Abortion thread article indicated that a million abortions occur each year in this country. And some in our country defends the right for that to happen.:cry:

Abortion thread article indicated that a million abortions occur each year in this country. And some in our country defends the right for that to happen.:cry:

Very good point and I would be willing to bet that the majority of those that support abortion are for gun control in the most stringent form.

Abortion thread article indicated that a million abortions occur each year in this country. And some in our country defends the right for that to happen.:cry:

Its closer to 1.3 million. About 21 of every 100 pregnancies in the US. But that may be off topic.

Very good point and I would be willing to bet that the majority of those that support abortion are for gun control in the most stringent form.

 

If you're pointing that out as a contradiction, make sure you also point out that most people who bill themselves as "pro-life" also support the death penalty. That's about as wild a contradiction as I can think of.

If you're pointing that out as a contradiction, make sure you also point out that most people who bill themselves as "pro-life" also support the death penalty. That's about as wild a contradiction as I can think of.

Yeah, eliminating a sociopathic homocidal deviant from the public welfare system is the same as snuffing innocent children full of hope and promise. Good parallel... :thumb:

Yeah, eliminating a sociopathic homocidal deviant from the public welfare system is the same as snuffing innocent children full of hope and promise. Good parallel... :thumb:

 

A life is a life is a life.

A life is a life is a life.

If God exists (as I sincerely believe He does) I have to believe that the greater burden of guilt will fall upon those who "choose" to coddle and protect violent and evil murderers, while fighting for the "right" to kill innocent children for little more than convenience in most cases.

 

I agree that every human life is precious. None should be taken lightly.

 

Given a choice however, I would vastly prefer to be numbered among those seeking to protect innocent life than among the majority chanting, "Give us Barabbas."

And now back to our regularly scheduled topic.......gun control.

 

I have a question for the gun enthusiasts from a state of ignorance on my part. The media has made a point that the bullets Cho used were hollow points. I heard one person indicate that you use hollow points to create the most damage.

 

Is there a hunting/security reason for these bullets to be legal?

 

I am coming to this from an informational point because the media is implying that there isn't and I don't trust the media, so I am trying to rely on my own knowledge and coming to the BGP experts that I know will be on both sides of the issue.

And now back to our regularly scheduled topic.......gun control.

 

I have a question for the gun enthusiasts from a state of ignorance on my part. The media has made a point that the bullets Cho used were hollow points. I heard one person indicate that you use hollow points to create the most damage.

 

Is there a hunting/security reason for these bullets to be legal?

 

I am coming to this from an informational point because the media is implying that there isn't and I don't trust the media, so I am trying to rely on my own knowledge and coming to the BGP experts that I know will be on both sides of the issue.

Hollow point bullets "mushroom" upon impact, thus dissipating more of their energy more immediately creating greater shock and thereby greater stopping power on thinly skinned targets... which as things go, is exactly what someone interested in "security" or in certain hunting situations is looking for in a round.

 

The idea of hollow points creating the most damage is not entirely off base. They do wreak havoc in the correct circumstances, but they are not the one ultimate round. In some circumstances, including piercing armor and protective clothing, Teflon coated jacketed solid point bullets are far more capable of doing serious damage than standard hollow points. The solids have a better design for deep penetration, whereas hollow points will dispense greater energy with less penetration.

 

There is no one simple answer here, but if one type of bullet had to be made illegal, I would suggest that it should be the armor piercing "cop killer" types.

And now back to our regularly scheduled topic.......gun control.

 

I have a question for the gun enthusiasts from a state of ignorance on my part. The media has made a point that the bullets Cho used were hollow points. I heard one person indicate that you use hollow points to create the most damage.

 

Is there a hunting/security reason for these bullets to be legal?

 

I am coming to this from an informational point because the media is implying that there isn't and I don't trust the media, so I am trying to rely on my own knowledge and coming to the BGP experts that I know will be on both sides of the issue.

 

Hollow points are designed to ensure you put down your target. They begin to expand as soon as they enter, thereby creating greater internal damage than standard bullets. RTS can probably explain it better than I.

If you're pointing that out as a contradiction, make sure you also point out that most people who bill themselves as "pro-life" also support the death penalty. That's about as wild a contradiction as I can think of.

Not even close, Jim. I agree with Fastbreak's comments.