How are you going to plan something like this, that supposedly has "pushed" him so far, and then have to read his emotions off of a script? What an idiot and a pansy.

 

My thoughts exactly!!!

Does anyone else have a problem with all of this mad man's ranting being televised like they have been? That's exactly what he wanted and I'm afraid that it may encourage other disturbed individuals to copy his actions in order to get their "message" out.

 

Also from what I have heard NBC turned the material over to the FBI AFTER copying all of it. I'm no legal expert but couldn't this be construed as tampering with evidence? If something like this was mailed to a private citizen and he did the same thing would he/she be subject to prosecution and if so why isn't someone from NBC now under arrest?

Also from what I have heard NBC turned the material over to the FBI AFTER copying all of it. I'm no legal expert but couldn't this be construed as tampering with evidence? If something like this was mailed to a private citizen and he did the same thing would he/she be subject to prosecution and if so why isn't someone from NBC now under arrest?

It's not technically considered evidence until turned over to the police because there is no on going investigation. It was mailed to them so they have the right to do what they want with it. Do I agree with airing it? No. But I don't see them getting into any legal trouble with what you are talking about.

I didn't know the legalities but I still have a problem with granting this mad man's final wish. I'm really afraid that it will give him credibility in the eyes of other degenerates.

 

Some of the victim's family members are not happy with the NBC decision to air the material either.

 

NBC Criticized

I didn't know the legalities but I still have a problem with granting this mad man's final wish. I'm really afraid that it will give him credibility in the eyes of other degenerates.

 

Some of the victim's family members are not happy with the NBC decision to air the material either.

 

NBC Criticized

 

I agree with you, they supposedly knew that this was from him due to the return address being A. Ishmal and the mailman alerting them. I could see this as evidence tampering. Obviously they know it was wrong for them to show it, why else would they spend so much time explaining their actions. This creep obviously wanted his message heard, and NBC is guaranteeing that he got his wish. I find it comical that they state that they spent all day agonizing whether or not to show the tapes. Funny how they came to the decision to do so just in time to for the nightly news. I also think it is funny that they censored the audio. I guess it's OK to show some maniac describing why he is going to commit mass murders and heroically posing with his guns, thats acceptal for young kids to see, but heavin forbid they hear an f-bomb.

But he kept saying stuff like "You left me no choice. You backed me in a corner."

 

Who did? How did they do that? I don't feel like he gave a legit motive.

The guy was just insane, simply insane.

 

People like him need no motive to do the things they do.

 

If I had to guess I would say he was talking about society leaving him no choice and backing him into a corner. No one person or group of people, just society in general.

 

Maybe he felt cheated by life and this was his was of dealing with it. No one will ever know.

I agree with you, they supposedly knew that this was from him due to the return address being A. Ishmal and the mailman alerting them. I could see this as evidence tampering. Obviously they know it was wrong for them to show it, why else would they spend so much time explaining their actions. This creep obviously wanted his message heard, and NBC is guaranteeing that he got his wish. I find it comical that they state that they spent all day agonizing whether or not to show the tapes. Funny how they came to the decision to do so just in time to for the nightly news. I also think it is funny that they censored the audio. I guess it's OK to show some maniac describing why he is going to commit mass murders and heroically posing with his guns, thats acceptal for young kids to see, but heavin forbid they hear an f-bomb.

 

As sad as it is, you know they never questioned airing it. Their first thought was that they have an edge over the other stations. It's sad, but true. As for the censoring of the video, that's not their call, that's the FCC's.

As sad as it is, you know they never questioned airing it. Their first thought was that they have an edge over the other stations. It's sad, but true. As for the censoring of the video, that's not their call, that's the FCC's.

 

 

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As sad as it is, you know they never questioned airing it. Their first thought was that they have an edge over the other stations. It's sad, but true. As for the censoring of the video, that's not their call, that's the FCC's.

 

They have gotten away with profanity on network tv before.

 

9-11 comes to mind.

 

"This is example No. 1," said Martin Franks, executive vice president of CBS Corp., of the decision by two dozen CBS affiliates to replace or delay "9/11" — which has already aired twice without controversy — over concerns about some of the language used by the firefighters in it.

 

"We don't think it's appropriate to sanitize the reality of the hell of Sept. 11th," Franks said. "It shows the incredible stress that these heroes were under. To sanitize it in some way robs it of the horror they faced."

 

 

Why is it appropriate to sanitize the reality of this event.

They have gotten away with profanity on network tv before.

 

9-11 comes to mind.

 

 

 

Why is it appropriate to sanitize the reality of this event.

 

 

This was a video of the killer talking, not of the event happening itself.

They have gotten away with profanity on network tv before.

 

9-11 comes to mind.

 

 

 

Why is it appropriate to sanitize the reality of this event.

 

As hb20 stated, it two different scenarios in the one is a profanity laced monologue and the other was the actual event. The FCC has really stiffened it's rules and penalties the past few years. Either way, NBC should've just not aired it. We shouldn't even be having this debate.

 

I did hear that the school will give posthumousdegrees to all the victims. :thumb:

I had a chance to watch a presentation by a Blacksburg police captain recently. I then went back through this thread. There were several people who questioned why the campus wasn't shut down. The initial call given on the first shooting wasn't for a shooting. Someone heard a loud thud come from a room, like someone had fallen off a top bunk. The first officer arrived and found the victims six minutes later. Why six minutes? It takes that long to drive to the dorm, enter the dorm building, take the elevator and arrive at the room.

 

There are 15 access roads leading on and off the campus. Hundreds of buildings on campus. A total of 115 police officers between Blacksburg and Va. Tech police. Do the math.

 

When the second shootings began across campus, officers arrived and immediately entered the building, a lesson learned from Columbine where they stayed outside and plotted before entering. The killer shot 174 rounds in nine minutes. The killer had chained the three public doors to Norris Hall, but police accessed a maintenance door and entered. As the police reached the second floor and announced themselves to a classroom, the final suicide shot was heard.

 

I read where someone posted about lack of SWAT training and police training, but it appeared to me they did what they could. Again, hundreds of buildings on campus and just 115 police officers total (not all were on duty). Basically, 40 officers working at the time of the first shooting would have had to shut down a 2,600 acre campus and monitor 15 roads leading on and off campus. Again, the campus is the size of the city of Florence.

 

One last thing that was brought up in the presentation. Everyone seemed to want to blame everyone except the shooter. Someone who had been committed to a mental health facility and was still able to purchase the guns and ammo. It's one of the most sickening things when watching a human-perpetuated tragedy unfold. In the same way Airport security was blamed for the 911 attacks, or violent video games for the Heath school shooting, etc.

 

I know this is old news but after watching this guy talk and give some of the details, I think everyone should have been as fortunate as I was and you would be pointing the finger at one person. The killer. And there wasn't much that could have been done to prevent what happened short of his heart exploding or walking in front of a moving 18-wheeler on his way to Norris Hall that morning.

I had a chance to watch a presentation by a Blacksburg police captain recently. I then went back through this thread. There were several people who questioned why the campus wasn't shut down. The initial call given on the first shooting wasn't for a shooting. Someone heard a loud thud come from a room, like someone had fallen off a top bunk. The first officer arrived and found the victims six minutes later. Why six minutes? It takes that long to drive to the dorm, enter the dorm building, take the elevator and arrive at the room.

 

There are 15 access roads leading on and off the campus. Hundreds of buildings on campus. A total of 115 police officers between Blacksburg and Va. Tech police. Do the math.

 

When the second shootings began across campus, officers arrived and immediately entered the building, a lesson learned from Columbine where they stayed outside and plotted before entering. The killer shot 174 rounds in nine minutes. The killer had chained the three public doors to Norris Hall, but police accessed a maintenance door and entered. As the police reached the second floor and announced themselves to a classroom, the final suicide shot was heard.

 

I read where someone posted about lack of SWAT training and police training, but it appeared to me they did what they could. Again, hundreds of buildings on campus and just 115 police officers total (not all were on duty). Basically, 40 officers working at the time of the first shooting would have had to shut down a 2,600 acre campus and monitor 15 roads leading on and off campus. Again, the campus is the size of the city of Florence.

 

One last thing that was brought up in the presentation. Everyone seemed to want to blame everyone except the shooter. Someone who had been committed to a mental health facility and was still able to purchase the guns and ammo. It's one of the most sickening things when watching a human-perpetuated tragedy unfold. In the same way Airport security was blamed for the 911 attacks, or violent video games for the Heath school shooting, etc.

 

I know this is old news but after watching this guy talk and give some of the details, I think everyone should have been as fortunate as I was and you would be pointing the finger at one person. The killer. And there wasn't much that could have been done to prevent what happened short of his heart exploding or walking in front of a moving 18-wheeler on his way to Norris Hall that morning.

Well put, Scribe.