February 21, 200719 yr It is not likely that there will ever be a lot of agreement on this subject. In my opinion it is not a question of who pays the taxes or even the quality of the public schools. As a society, we have determined that it is appropriate to use tax dollars to pay for the education of our young people. Private schools provide that service, therefore it seems reasonable to allow the money to follow the kid. As in most areas of society, competition would only strengthen all involved. QUOTE] Including mandatory acceptance by the private school of the voucher holding student. In ALL cases, regardless of circumstance?
February 21, 200719 yr So it's your contention that EVERY kid in Jefferson County that wants to be in a better school get in, correct? Why then did that bothersome lawsuit go to the Supreme Court. Obviously someone didn't get to go to the school they want to go to. Something similar to a class action lawsuit regarding actions in private schools not to long ago?
February 21, 200719 yr It is not likely that there will ever be a lot of agreement on this subject. In my opinion it is not a question of who pays the taxes or even the quality of the public schools. As a society, we have determined that it is appropriate to use tax dollars to pay for the education of our young people. Private schools provide that service, therefore it seems reasonable to allow the money to follow the kid. As in most areas of society, competition would only strengthen all involved. QUOTE] Including mandatory acceptance by the private school of the voucher holding student. In ALL cases, regardless of circumstance? Why? Going back to my comparison to colleges, private colleges are not required to accept every student as a condition of students using tax supported financial aid.
February 21, 200719 yr Something similar to a class action lawsuit regarding actions in private schools not to long ago? I'm not sure what you are talking about. Please enlighten us.
February 21, 200719 yr Why? Going back to my comparison to colleges, private colleges are not required to accept every student as a condition of students using tax supported financial aid. Why? The reason is each state constitution mandates the public school system and mandates its funding requirements. Nothing in any structure mandates the creation and/or existence of college. In the K thru 12 education system, public schools are required to accept every student. I do not think the private schools would accept such a mandate. In the abscence of such acceptance, it is not possible to accept tax dollars that currently mandate enrollment. It is only fair.
February 21, 200719 yr I'm not sure what you are talking about. Please enlighten us. The sex abuse cases.
February 21, 200719 yr ^ You have finally showed your true colors and have invalidated all of your previous posts....thanks.
February 21, 200719 yr So it's your contention that EVERY kid in Jefferson County that wants to be in a better school get in, correct? Why then did that bothersome lawsuit go to the Supreme Court. Obviously someone didn't get to go to the school they want to go to. Getting into a better school and getting into a specific better school are two different things.
February 21, 200719 yr ^ You have finally showed your true colors and have invalidated all of your previous posts....thanks. By pretending it never happened?! and in a school setting. By not acknowledging it was covered up?! and in a school setting. And to ignore it, it may somehow never happen(ed) But it is OK to reference an over 30 year old segregation lawsuit. OK.
February 21, 200719 yr By pretending it never happened?! and in a school setting. By not acknowledging it was covered up?! and in a school setting. And to ignore it, it may somehow never happen(ed) But it is OK to reference an over 30 year old segregation lawsuit. OK. SS, no one is denying anything. But it has no bearing on the educational opportunities offered by Private schools. In addition, what you are referencing applies only to SOME Catholic schools, and not to all private schools (there are private schools that are not Catholic, and some that aren't religiously affiliated at all). It also has no bearing whatsoever on this discussion relative to athletic eligibility requirements. The lawsuit that AllTell refers to is the suit agains the Jefferson County Public School System, that is currently before the Supreme Court. A woman maintains that the racial quotas used by the JCPS as a determinant in the admission process of the magnet system and traditional system is unconstitutional. We're not at all talking about segregation 30 years ago.
February 21, 200719 yr SS, no one is denying anything. But it has no bearing on the educational opportunities offered by Private schools. In addition, what you are referencing applies only to SOME Catholic schools, and not to all private schools (there are private schools that are not Catholic, and some that aren't religiously affiliated at all). It also has no bearing whatsoever on this discussion relative to athletic eligibility requirements. The lawsuit that AllTell refers to is the suit agains the Jefferson County Public School System, that is currently before the Supreme Court. A woman maintains that the racial quotas used by the JCPS as a determinant in the admission process of the magnet system and traditional system is unconstitutional. We're not at all talking about segregation 30 years ago. You are correct it only happened at some particular schools by a few people. However, the diocese as a whole directed and coordinated its actions in trying to hide the problem and it is very clear the process was literally done across the country by many diocese and that is what got them in so much financial retribution trouble today. But to your point, to be consistent then, what is happening in this narrow matter in Jefferson County really has no bearing on public education as a whole. Can we then agree on that?
February 21, 200719 yr You are correct it only happened at some particular schools by a few people. However, the diocese as a whole directed and coordinated its actions in trying to hide the problem and it is very clear the process was literally done across the country by many diocese and that is what got them in so much financial retribution trouble today. But to your point, to be consistent then, what is happening in this narrow matter in Jefferson County really has no bearing on public education as a whole. Can we then agree on that? Well, I can agree to some extent. It does have a bearing on those public systems that have open enrollment programs. I does not have a bearing on those that have closed districting policies. The point of this thread is the requirement of kids/families to make their high school choice as early as 6th grade to avoid any penalties at the high school level in athletics. This applies differently to different districts. For instance, kids in Jefferson County much decide before 6th grade which middle school they want to get into, to get into the high school they think they'll eventually want to choose. Kids in one of Grayson County's middle schools don't have any choices to make, as they'll be attending the one and only Grayson County High School. (And of course there are other scenarios, but those are good examples of how all things are not equal.)
February 21, 200719 yr The sex abuse cases. Do you contend that public schools have less cases of abuse?
February 21, 200719 yr Do you contend that public schools have less cases of abuse? How would you ever know? In public school, such incidents are reported and dealt with. I think there is plenty of evidence to show that. I cannot think of any matter where others in a school or school system had such information and acted in a manner to cover it up. I guess it could be claimed or assumed but I am not aware of any such actions. That is not the same that occured in my point. I believe you have to agree with me the issues regarding the sex abuse cases dealt with not only the act but the failure to act and the actions to cover up the act. If such were to happen in public schools, cover up, etc. they actually should be held to a higher standard and I think they would be and actually have. I do think more public school teachers who did this have been put in jail compared to priests. But I could be wrong on that.
February 21, 200719 yr By pretending it never happened?! and in a school setting. By not acknowledging it was covered up?! and in a school setting. And to ignore it, it may somehow never happen(ed) But it is OK to reference an over 30 year old segregation lawsuit. OK. Actually the lawsuit I was referring to is actually before the Supreme Court right now.
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