You spout off as an expert everytime anyone has the audacity to question your precious public schools. I for one would sure like to know what qualifies you as an expert.

You spout off as an expert everytime anyone has the audacity to question your precious public schools. I for one would sure like to know what qualifies you as an expert.

 

Probably no more qualifed than one being narrow minded and opinionated regardless to the facts.

Folks, this is a topic that stirs strong feelings. Let's keep it on the topic and not stray into each other.

Keep kidding yourself. Where choice is allowed, people choose it. If it weren't a concern why is the NEA spending millions fighting it?

 

There is no compelling reason (at least in Jefferson County) to offer vouchers. The JCPS offers a wide variety of optional programs that run the gamut from vocational to fine arts to rigorous college prep. There are many public high schools that can go toe to toe with private high schools in terms of academics and disciplinary policy. If your compelling reason is that you want to use public funds to send your kids to a school that incorporates religion into the curriculum, I doubt you would be able to justify on that basis.

First you post that to win the debate you must make some "adjustment" to your student body. But then again "exceptional" schools don't.???

Would that mean that since you don't make any "ajustments" for the private schools, they are all "exceptional"?

 

Keep preaching the "vast right wing conspiracy" line. The fact is that America wants choice, and eventually they will have it. Its just a matter of time.

America has choice now. Just not vouchers.

 

We have heard over and over that it is the parent's choice to send their child to a private school. So obviously, choice presently exists.

While this data is pretty to look at, it doesn't tell you much of anything. Most of the best students take the SAT rather than the ACT because the majority go out of state. Just using X's data as an example: only 177 of the 315 students who took the ACT (57%) went on to a KY college. 43% of students went out of state, where typically you have to have better test scores, yet those students' scores weren't reported in the report. Also, X's class that was reported was larger than 315. The difference is those students that took only the SAT. Again, generally these students are the ones that go out of state and as such, generally have higher test scores. Because of these effects, it skews the scores at better schools down (you cut of the top scorers). Also, since this report only shows college students, it skews lesser schools up because it only reflects their college students (addition by subtraction).

That will change in public schools as the ACT will now become part of the CATS testing scores for each public high school.

 

Since it is being required, I am assuming that the public schools will now pick up the cost of one ACT test sometime around their junior year.

America has choice now. Just not vouchers.

 

We have heard over and over that it is the parent's choice to send their child to a private school. So obviously, choice presently exists.

 

You are missing the point. A voucher would not be to help send my kids to private school. The voucher would be repaying me for all of the money I spend educating kids in public schools. Currently I have kids in private schools but last year paid more in school taxes to send others' children to school than I paid in tuition for my own. No, I do not have a choice. I must pay to help send kids to public school.

There is no compelling reason (at least in Jefferson County) to offer vouchers. The JCPS offers a wide variety of optional programs that run the gamut from vocational to fine arts to rigorous college prep. There are many public high schools that can go toe to toe with private high schools in terms of academics and disciplinary policy. If your compelling reason is that you want to use public funds to send your kids to a school that incorporates religion into the curriculum, I doubt you would be able to justify on that basis.

 

Missing the point. See post 22. Vouchers are not to pay for private kids tuition. They are just to pay the parents back for the taxes they have paid to provide others with a free education.

You are missing the point. A voucher would not be to help send my kids to private school. The voucher would be repaying me for all of the money I spend educating kids in public schools. Currently I have kids in private schools but last year paid more in school taxes to send others' children to school than I paid in tuition for my own. No, I do not have a choice. I must pay to help send kids to public school.

And that is a good investment. Just as your tax dollars are used in other areas in which you NEVER directly use what services they provide.

Missing the point. See post 22. Vouchers are not to pay for private kids tuition. They are just to pay the parents back for the taxes they have paid to provide others with a free education.

I believe you are wrong here. If a couple does not have kids, they are NOT getting any money back from the voucher system.

 

If what you say is true, then that couple would get funds too.

 

It is being used to let kids who possibly cannot attend a private school because of cost, attend a private school.

My children are grown. I have no need for assistance. I never did. Vouchers are most popular in large metro areas where the schools are failing. So if you are OK with only wealthy folks having a way out... well that says a lot about the folks on here that have identified themselves as "educators".

this is fun.....

 

Be happy to, just as soon as you explain Title 1, IDEA, Gap Reduction plans under your dream plan with vouchers. Thanks!

If you don't know, just admit you don't know.

There is no compelling reason (at least in Jefferson County) to offer vouchers. The JCPS offers a wide variety of optional programs that run the gamut from vocational to fine arts to rigorous college prep. There are many public high schools that can go toe to toe with private high schools in terms of academics and disciplinary policy. If your compelling reason is that you want to use public funds to send your kids to a school that incorporates religion into the curriculum, I doubt you would be able to justify on that basis.

So what you are saying is that you (or others) will decide for the rest of us what choice we need. Thanks, but no thanks. I've got an idea, lets put it to a vote.

Missing the point. See post 22. Vouchers are not to pay for private kids tuition. They are just to pay the parents back for the taxes they have paid to provide others with a free education.

 

Oh really? Vouchers are not to pay for private education for kids who "opt out" of the publicly-provided school system? That's not the way voucher proponents have tried to sell their idea. The main thrust of the pro-voucher movement has been to give kids an alternative to failing public schools by allowing them to pay for private schools with public-sourced (i.e. tax based) funds. If you think we should pay parents back because they didn't send their kids to public schools, maybe we should give a tax break to people who don't visit national parks, or to people who choose to walk rather than drive cars on public roads, or to people who choose not to attend a state-supported university. After all, why should they have to pay taxes for something they don't use?

There is no compelling reason (at least in Jefferson County) to offer vouchers. The JCPS offers a wide variety of optional programs that run the gamut from vocational to fine arts to rigorous college prep. There are many public high schools that can go toe to toe with private high schools in terms of academics and disciplinary policy. If your compelling reason is that you want to use public funds to send your kids to a school that incorporates religion into the curriculum, I doubt you would be able to justify on that basis.

Does every kid that applies to get into Manual get in?

 

Does every kid whose parents want their kids in the traditional program get into Male?

 

As long as the answer to either question is no then there is a need for options because after those two schools the quality drops off dramatically. Those are probably the only two public schools that I would consider sending my kids to (if they existed).