State panel has hearing on recruit reform: PROPOSED RULE CHANGE WOULD PUT LIMITS ON PRIVATE SCHOOLS

 

FRANKFORT - Kentucky's public and private high schools slugged it out again yesterday in their prolonged fight over a proposed rules change that would limit recruiting areas for athletics.

 

The changes would be a major restriction on a some of the state's powerhouse high school athletics programs.

 

Several speakers on both sides addressed the management committee of the Kentucky Board of Education, which listened and asked questions, but took no action. Committee chairman David Webb of Edmonson County said the state board would vote on the proposal at its April meeting.

 

The proposal would limit both public and private high schools to drawing athletes from "feeder schools" in clearly defined areas. A student could transfer to a public or private high school from outside a school's "feeder school" area, but the student would lose a year of athletics eligibility.

This is going to get ugly regardless of how the BOE rules.

 

They rule with the segregationists and we have legal battles and legislative action.

 

They rule with the private side and we get more of WIlson Sears whining proposals.

While Mr. Sears was "researching" the athletic stats of LexCath vs. Tates Creek, I wonder if he happened upon any numbers illustrating the percentage of students graduating from each of those schools and going on to the college of their choice. That's the kind of news I'd like to see in the Herald Leader.

While Mr. Sears was "researching" the athletic stats of LexCath vs. Tates Creek, I wonder if he happened upon any numbers illustrating the percentage of students graduating from each of those schools and going on to the college of their choice. That's the kind of news I'd like to see in the Herald Leader.

 

What is the assumption of your interest?

What is the assumption of your interest?

I'd say Zanny is talking about kids going to Lexington Catholic for academic reasons moreso than athletic reasons.

I'd say Zanny is talking about kids going to Lexington Catholic for academic reasons moreso than athletic reasons.

 

Just for the record, when adjusted for socio-economic status Public School students outperform private school students on the ACT and during their college years. In exceptional public schools you don't have to make the adjustment for socio-economics standing of the students.

 

Private School, especially conservative christian ones, with the support from RW radio have sold the public a bill of goods that is not true. Even in the state of KY where our education is so bad.

 

http://kdemaxport3.kde.state.ky.us:7777/pls/portal/portal_code.PKG_RPT_POST_HS_FEEDB.main

 

I don't know if you can use this link, but you can go to the Kentucky Council on postsecondary education and look under data/reports and view the High School Feedback report.

 

It is telling.

Thanks for the link. The data is interesting but not complete. It reports only those students taking the ACT at a given school who subsequently enroll in one of KY's public post secondary institutions. In 2002 it appears 67% of students taking the ACT at Tates Creek HS went on to attend a public university in KY where as the percent from Lexington Catholic was 37%. More telling would be data showing the percentage of students eligible to test vs those testing and the range of scores of all tested students, not just the ones who go to an in-state public university. If there's a link that has that data, please share it.

Just for the record, when adjusted for socio-economic status Public School students outperform private school students on the ACT and during their college years. In exceptional public schools you don't have to make the adjustment for socio-economics standing of the students.

 

Private School, especially conservative christian ones, with the support from RW radio have sold the public a bill of goods that is not true. Even in the state of KY where our education is so bad.

First you post that to win the debate you must make some "adjustment" to your student body. But then again "exceptional" schools don't.???

Would that mean that since you don't make any "ajustments" for the private schools, they are all "exceptional"?

 

Keep preaching the "vast right wing conspiracy" line. The fact is that America wants choice, and eventually they will have it. Its just a matter of time.

Just for the record, when adjusted for socio-economic status Public School students outperform private school students on the ACT and during their college years. In exceptional public schools you don't have to make the adjustment for socio-economics standing of the students.

 

Private School, especially conservative christian ones, with the support from RW radio have sold the public a bill of goods that is not true. Even in the state of KY where our education is so bad.

 

http://kdemaxport3.kde.state.ky.us:7777/pls/portal/portal_code.PKG_RPT_POST_HS_FEEDB.main

 

I don't know if you can use this link, but you can go to the Kentucky Council on postsecondary education and look under data/reports and view the High School Feedback report.

 

It is telling.

 

Even more specifically, the average Jefferson County Catholic ACT score is 22.7. The average Kentucky ACT score is 20.3. and that includes the average Jefferson County Catholic ACT score. I say let us embrace diversity and give the citizens of the state more choices, public and private. Perhaps vouchers would be a vehicle to achieve this diversity.

Even more specifically, the average Jefferson County Catholic ACT score is 22.7. The average Kentucky ACT score is 20.3. and that includes the average Jefferson County Catholic ACT score. I say let us embrace diversity and give the citizens of the state more choices, public and private. Perhaps vouchers would be a vehicle to achieve this diversity.

 

Including and expecting that all private schools will be held to the same standards as the public schools are held to if they accept a voucher program?

First you post that to win the debate you must make some "adjustment" to your student body. But then again "exceptional" schools don't.???

Would that mean that since you don't make any "ajustments" for the private schools, they are all "exceptional"?

 

Keep preaching the "vast right wing conspiracy" line. The fact is that America wants choice, and eventually they will have it. Its just a matter of time.

 

 

Not anytime soon and in fact the vast majority of America supports public schools.

Just for the record, when adjusted for socio-economic status Public School students outperform private school students on the ACT and during their college years. In exceptional public schools you don't have to make the adjustment for socio-economics standing of the students.

 

Private School, especially conservative christian ones, with the support from RW radio have sold the public a bill of goods that is not true. Even in the state of KY where our education is so bad.

 

http://kdemaxport3.kde.state.ky.us:7777/pls/portal/portal_code.PKG_RPT_POST_HS_FEEDB.main

 

I don't know if you can use this link, but you can go to the Kentucky Council on postsecondary education and look under data/reports and view the High School Feedback report.

 

It is telling.

 

While this data is pretty to look at, it doesn't tell you much of anything. Most of the best students take the SAT rather than the ACT because the majority go out of state. Just using X's data as an example: only 177 of the 315 students who took the ACT (57%) went on to a KY college. 43% of students went out of state, where typically you have to have better test scores, yet those students' scores weren't reported in the report. Also, X's class that was reported was larger than 315. The difference is those students that took only the SAT. Again, generally these students are the ones that go out of state and as such, generally have higher test scores. Because of these effects, it skews the scores at better schools down (you cut of the top scorers). Also, since this report only shows college students, it skews lesser schools up because it only reflects their college students (addition by subtraction).

Including and expecting that all private schools will be held to the same standards as the public schools are held to if they accept a voucher program?

 

Don't all public schools receive funds? Are all public schools held to the same standard? If so, please explain the terms Magnet, Traditional, etc.:sssh:

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Not anytime soon and in fact the vast majority of America supports public schools.

Keep kidding yourself. Where choice is allowed, people choose it. If it weren't a concern why is the NEA spending millions fighting it?

Don't all public schools receive funds? Are all public schools held to the same standard? If so, please explain the terms Magnet, Traditional, etc.:sssh:

 

 

this is fun.....

 

Be happy to, just as soon as you explain Title 1, IDEA, Gap Reduction plans under your dream plan with vouchers. Thanks!