I also agree that the districts should be seeded and not just a blind draw.Smaller schools will have to work harder to get better and make the tourney but the better teams should deffinantly be rewarded and also be representing their districts.The tourney should deffinantly be the best of the best playing for the top spot!:thumb:

I agree 100% with this post. All districts should be required to seed by the KHSAA. We should have the best teams or the ones playing the best at tourny time in the regional.

My point is that Ludlow will never vote for seeding so that they have a better chance for their teams to get to the region and it don't matter how good their teams are. You are going back a few yrs. Who were they better than, HC, NDA or Holmes.

 

Bottom line is each team in the district should have to play each other at least once and then seed the tourney. This way there is no bias w/the coaches doing the voting.

 

I brought up volleyball because Beechwood has gotten the shaft put to them the last two yr w/the blind draw. They were ranked 3/4 all yr both yrs and did not get to regionals due to the blind draw. Is this fair to the girls? High school sports is for the kids not the schools getting recognized for playing in the region where they have no chance of getting past the first round. It's great for a team to get to the region but how rewarding is it to get there by beating a team w/5/6/7th graders. Sorry, I know this is a different sport but involves seeding. I would never have brought this up if you wouldn't have mentioned Ludlow getting the shaft. They put the shaft to the better teams/players by voting for the blind draw to give them a better chance. Heck, if your'e so good, vote for the seeding, play where they put you.

 

Anything that someone doesnt' see eye to eye on w/you, never has enough to back anything up so I am probably wasting my breath.

 

By the way, are you talking about the boys or the girls? This is the girls website!

 

First of all if you dont ever have anything to back it up then, why should I not say anything back. You say this is a girls basketball thread but you also brought up the volleyball thing which is not part of this thread...

 

If you have read what I said I agree I think every district should seed. Also Im not saying that you dont know, but I am curious to how you know or atleast think you know that Ludlow always votes for a blind draw in every sport?

 

If you have not read anything I have said, I know Beechwood in volleyball has gotten a bad deal out of the blind draw. But my point is dont expect to get any sympathy from Ludlow because as I have said a few times Ludlow has got the shaft a few times in other sports. So I really dont want to hear anything about Beechwood volleyball getting the raw deal, because Ludlow has experienced that before too in other sports...

 

So I have agreed with you though, that I think the best thing to do is somehow make all the districts seed and have the teams play each other to determine the seeds. BUT IF they are going to seed sometimes by having the coaches vote for the seed I would be totally against it, and Im sure Ludlow would be too. Because when it comes down to coaches voting small schools like Ludlow, Bellevue, Dayton, etc would always get the raw end of the deal. So if the seeds were going to be voted on by coaches like they have sometimes in the past then I would want it to be a blind draw because that is ALOT MORE FAIR! But if it seeded by making the teams play each other then I am all for it!!!

Unless things have changed whoever host the district/region games takes out expenses from the gate money and the rest is equally divided by the participating teams. KHSAA gets nothing from these two tourneys. Of course, the host team gets all concessions.

 

In football during the regular season/playoffs, expenses are taken out and the gate is split between the schools. Now that is messed up!

Our boys program is GUARANTEED $5,000 for making it to regionals. They have made more in the past. THat is a lot of money for a HS boys basketball program.

 

Some regionals split the gate profits among all the teams in the region, some split it with just the teams that made the regional tournament.

How are they guaranteed any money or is that a past history figure that most teams get? I think most split the money w/just the teams that make the region, that is the way it should be.

 

FutureCoach: Since I am involved w/more than one of the programs in the area and also know every Tom, Dick and Harry involved w/high school sports , I am told this info first hand from coaches/A.D's. Ludlow always votes "Blind Draw!"

 

I would still like to know who Ludlow was better than a few yrs back which you mentioned that got the shaft and were you talking about boys or girls bball. At least we agree on the thread subject, if the districts are to seed then each team should have to play each other during the season, then the wins/loses put you were your season takes you. If you decide not to play everyone and it is a district decision to play everyone then you take the last seed as is the case w/Beechwood's girls. They decided not to play their district opponents knowing they would willingly take the 4th seed. This way they could play weaker teams, Hopefully, to pick up a few wins and give the better teams a chance to play better competition themselves.

 

I firmly believe this should be a statewide issue also. All play w/seeding the district or all play w/blind draw.

The one thing I dislike about seeding is that you can tie too many games up within your district. Not as much of a problem as it used to be since almost all districts are 4 teams. But when there were five teams, that meant 1/3 of your schedule was tied up with district games.

 

Add in tournaments that you want to play in and regional teams you want to play and the schedule is pretty tight.

 

As far as the funds, I have posted this before but will give the short version again. Deming needed a PA system but didn't have the room in their athletic budget. They made the regional tournament, and in all honesty that is like making it to Rupp for them, and used the proceeds to outfit their gym with an excellent PA system that has now benefitted the whole school and community.

The one thing I dislike about seeding is that you can tie too many games up within your district. Not as much of a problem as it used to be since almost all districts are 4 teams. But when there were five teams, that meant 1/3 of your schedule was tied up with district games.

 

Add in tournaments that you want to play in and regional teams you want to play and the schedule is pretty tight.

 

As far as the funds, I have posted this before but will give the short version again. Deming needed a PA system but didn't have the room in their athletic budget. They made the regional tournament, and in all honesty that is like making it to Rupp for them, and used the proceeds to outfit their gym with an excellent PA system that has now benefitted the whole school and community.

 

So, your'e saying that if the teams make it to the region, at least in your region, they are guaranteed $5000? or are you basing this on the cost of a PA system that Deming bought after making the region?

So, your'e saying that if the teams make it to the region, at least in your region, they are guaranteed $5000? or are you basing this on the cost of a PA system that Deming bought after making the region?

From what I have been told by the boys' coaches, they are guaranteed a minimum of $5,000 based upon past sales figures of the regional tournament on the boys side. Sometimes the actual figure that the boys receive is more than that amount.

How are they guaranteed any money or is that a past history figure that most teams get? I think most split the money w/just the teams that make the region, that is the way it should be.

 

FutureCoach: Since I am involved w/more than one of the programs in the area and also know every Tom, Dick and Harry involved w/high school sports , I am told this info first hand from coaches/A.D's. Ludlow always votes "Blind Draw!"

 

I would still like to know who Ludlow was better than a few yrs back which you mentioned that got the shaft and were you talking about boys or girls bball. At least we agree on the thread subject, if the districts are to seed then each team should have to play each other during the season, then the wins/loses put you were your season takes you. If you decide not to play everyone and it is a district decision to play everyone then you take the last seed as is the case w/Beechwood's girls. They decided not to play their district opponents knowing they would willingly take the 4th seed. This way they could play weaker teams, Hopefully, to pick up a few wins and give the better teams a chance to play better competition themselves.

 

I firmly believe this should be a statewide issue also. All play w/seeding the district or all play w/blind draw.

 

It was boys, and it was HC that they were better than that year...And the part I bolded I completely agree with, I think that is definitely how they should do it!:thumb:

seed

no explaination need, just seed.

I'll go with the blind draw. But I've spent a lot more time trying to determine the logic behind having Mason Co. in a district with 3 Class A schools.

I'll go with the blind draw. But I've spent a lot more time trying to determine the logic behind having Mason Co. in a district with 3 Class A schools.

 

Unfortunately, geography does not hinge on logic.

Seeding is the only way to go.

 

Invariably, teams more inclined to vote for the blind draw tend not to be consistently good year-in and year-out. Usually, schools like that will have one or two "up" years per decade, when a talented group of kids passes through the ranks at the same time.

 

Maybe geography is not fair in that smaller schools get thrown into a district with bigger schools. But it's no more or less fair for the two best teams to draw each other in the first round of the district, subsequently preventing one of the best teams in the region from making it to the region tournament.

 

Life's not fair. Get used to it. Suck it up and work harder than the bigger school, because it's a good future life lesson to prepare you for the real world.

 

And any school who votes for the blind draw deserves, in their "up" year, to draw the traditional district powerhouse in the first round. Had they played it straight and voted to seed, they probably would have earned their way in on their own merit, and probably went to the region and did some damage. Instead, they hinge their hopes every year on drawing the one school in the district that's worse than them, and try to back into the region, where they'll lose by 30 in the first round.

Seeding is the only way to go.

 

Invariably, teams more inclined to vote for the blind draw tend not to be consistently good year-in and year-out. Usually, schools like that will have one or two "up" years per decade, when a talented group of kids passes through the ranks at the same time.

 

Maybe geography is not fair in that smaller schools get thrown into a district with bigger schools. But it's no more or less fair for the two best teams to draw each other in the first round of the district, subsequently preventing one of the best teams in the region from making it to the region tournament.

 

Life's not fair. Get used to it. Suck it up and work harder than the bigger school, because it's a good future life lesson to prepare you for the real world.

 

And any school who votes for the blind draw deserves, in their "up" year, to draw the traditional district powerhouse in the first round. Had they played it straight and voted to seed, they probably would have earned their way in on their own merit, and probably went to the region and did some damage. Instead, they hinge their hopes every year on drawing the one school in the district that's worse than them, and try to back into the region, where they'll lose by 30 in the first round.

 

Beautiful, amen!!

Seeding is the only way to go.

 

Invariably, teams more inclined to vote for the blind draw tend not to be consistently good year-in and year-out. Usually, schools like that will have one or two "up" years per decade, when a talented group of kids passes through the ranks at the same time.

 

Maybe geography is not fair in that smaller schools get thrown into a district with bigger schools. But it's no more or less fair for the two best teams to draw each other in the first round of the district, subsequently preventing one of the best teams in the region from making it to the region tournament.

 

Life's not fair. Get used to it. Suck it up and work harder than the bigger school, because it's a good future life lesson to prepare you for the real world.

 

And any school who votes for the blind draw deserves, in their "up" year, to draw the traditional district powerhouse in the first round. Had they played it straight and voted to seed, they probably would have earned their way in on their own merit, and probably went to the region and did some damage. Instead, they hinge their hopes every year on drawing the one school in the district that's worse than them, and try to back into the region, where they'll lose by 30 in the first round.

You're right on target, Jim.