I would counter this w/ saying both Queen and Terry can give anyone a run for their money. They have two handicaps. The first one is having two superstars on the same team. It is an absolute pleasure to watch these two girls play together, but as far as individual accolades, they hurt each other. With that said, I believe both girls would choose to play together amd share the spotlight, than to not play together. The second handicap for Queen and Terry is the disparity of talent amongst their own teammates. All the RH girls work hard, but Queen and Terry play far above everyone else on the team, let alone most girls in the state. This makes them both a constant target for double and triple teams and any coach preparing his/her team for RH keys on these two young ladies. Even w/ the continuous pressure, these two keep turning out all star like performances game after game.

 

Excellent points.

I would counter this w/ saying both Queen and Terry can give anyone a run for their money. They have two handicaps. The first one is having two superstars on the same team. It is an absolute pleasure to watch these two girls play together, but as far as individual accolades, they hurt each other. With that said, I believe both girls would choose to play together amd share the spotlight, than to not play together. The second handicap for Queen and Terry is the disparity of talent amongst their own teammates. All the RH girls work hard, but Queen and Terry play far above everyone else on the team, let alone most girls in the state. This makes them both a constant target for double and triple teams and any coach preparing his/her team for RH keys on these two young ladies. Even w/ the continuous pressure, these two keep turning out all star like performances game after game.

 

I think Queen and Terry are playing with two more handicaps, but I'll leave it at that.

 

 

Frances

Louisville Courier-Journal

 

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070107/SPORTS05/701070523/1031

 

"I don't know of anybody better," Mercy coach Mark Evans said when asked whether Gray is the state's top senior. "I'd say she is from what I've seen."

I think Queen and Terry are playing with two more handicaps, but I'll leave it at that.

 

 

Frances

 

Please elaborate.

Louisville Courier-Journal

 

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070107/SPORTS05/701070523/1031

 

"I don't know of anybody better," Mercy coach Mark Evans said when asked whether Gray is the state's top senior. "I'd say she is from what I've seen."

 

Without a doubt, the Mercy coach has seen far more girls' basketball games in this state than I have.

 

I am not trying to shortchange Gray in any way. I am merely relaying what I saw in one game.

 

 

Frances

Please elaborate.

 

As I said - "I'll leave it at that".

 

 

Frances

As I said - "I'll leave it at that".

 

 

Frances

 

Point well taken. I thought I could coax you into saying what you were thinking, but you proved me wrong.

It's easy to guess what Frances is talking about...:sssh:

Louisville Courier-Journal

 

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070107/SPORTS05/701070523/1031

 

"I don't know of anybody better," Mercy coach Mark Evans said when asked whether Gray is the state's top senior. "I'd say she is from what I've seen."

 

Under the circumstances of the interview, I would be surprised for a coach to say otherwise. I don't think anyone is doubting that Gray is a good player. The doubt is that she is so far superior to the other top talent in the Commonwealth. I would not think that Evans's comments, taken as they were, are conclusive evidence of anything.

 

Now, if she can lead her team to state tournament success, that would be some good evidence.

It's easy to guess what Frances is talking about...:sssh:

 

I guess you have to be from that area to understand what you all are referring to, could you clue the rest of the state in?

 

 

As for Gray getting her team to the state tourney, pretty big order since they will have to get past LexCath, IMO!

I guess you have to be from that area to understand what you all are referring to, could you clue the rest of the state in?

 

 

As for Gray getting her team to the state tourney, pretty big order since they will have to get past LexCath, IMO!

 

As for your first comment, you are correct although I must admit that I don't know what Frances has in mind. I'm surprised that Devil58 would know since he is a member of the "worthy opposition".

 

As for your second comment, you are even more correct.

I have seen Gray play several times, and she is a nice player. Honestly I think Queen and Terry are both right up there with her, if not ahead. But what hurts the RH girls is perception, if Gray has a great year no matter what eveybody else does she will win. Same thing happened last year with Anika Brown. No matter what Norton, Marsh, Lymon, Faulkner, Rich, etc. did she was the front runner in everybodies mind and right or wrong she one the award. Not saying she didn't deserve it, but when you mentioned the award her name came up first as does Gray's.

I think we're getting off topic, but I'll respond.

 

"I would not think that Evans's comments, taken as they were, are conclusive evidence of anything."

Maybe not, but he has played both Scott County and Rose Hill.

 

 

"Now, if she can lead her team to state tournament success, that would be some good evidence."

Apparently Gray has to lead her team through the toughest region in the state, which includes several top 20 teams and 1 nationally ranked team. She has nothing left to prove. I would contend that other candidates would have more to prove if they currently have a losing record in a weaker region.

 

 

"But what hurts the RH girls is perception..."

 

I would say moreso that it is their current record and strength of schedule, neither of which is Queen or Terry's fault. They are fine players playing solid basketball with the hand they're dealt. Media bias is not a valid argument. The 11th region has had 1 Ms. Basketball, who was from Western Hills in 1982. It's still the coaches who make the final vote.

Under the circumstances of the interview, I would be surprised for a coach to say otherwise. I don't think anyone is doubting that Gray is a good player. The doubt is that she is so far superior to the other top talent in the Commonwealth. I would not think that Evans's comments, taken as they were, are conclusive evidence of anything.

 

Now, if she can lead her team to state tournament success, that would be some good evidence.

 

Well said, Scooterbob...and you highlight a point I tried to make in another thread. To suggest that other's stats be considered alongside Gray's is not to suggest that she is undeserving. It is to observe that sportswriters and others do no more than recycle opinions when they report that she is the clear frontrunner (and one can find coaches or recruiters who would say the same thing about Brown, Queen, Terry, etc) without at some point demonstrating it with what is the only measuring stick we have in sports...a record of performances over time, averages, stats.

 

This discussion quickly takes on the appearance of tearing down one kid to build up another precisely because that objective element is so lacking...and the players don't deserve that.

Well said, Scooterbob...and you highlight a point I tried to make in another thread. To suggest that other's stats be considered alongside Gray's is not to suggest that she is undeserving. It is to observe that sportswriters and others do no more than recycle opinions when they report that she is the clear frontrunner (and one can find coaches or recruiters who would say the same thing about Brown, Queen, Terry, etc) without at some point demonstrating it with what is the only measuring stick we have in sports...a record of performances over time, averages, stats.

 

This discussion quickly takes on the appearance of tearing down one kid to build up another precisely because that objective element is so lacking...and the players don't deserve that.

 

You bring up a point I should have mentioned. I, in no uncertain terms, had the intention of impying Gray was not deserving of the title should she get it. I only want everyone to realize a conversation on this years Miss Basketball has no legitamacy at all if Queen and Terry are not mentioned as front runners, as well as Gray.