I've accused no one of bias...not on the part of the media nor of those coaches who will vote on the matter. Neither am I campaigning for any player, although I readily admit my own bias.

 

This entire discussion for me revolves around the only article I've read to date about the matter, the Cats Pause season preview, in which the author described Rebecca Gray as the clear favorite for the title of Miss Basketball and chose to illustrate his suggestion by citing her stats. What was obvious to me was his failure to demonstrate that at least one other candidate had better figures...and I suspect there are others. How difficult would it have been to do some elementary research for such an article? And how does one know just who is the favorite? Did he conduct a poll?

 

I would further point out...and I am open for correction on the matter...that most of those who will cast a vote will have never seen those players about whom they are supposed to make a judgment. That can't be avoided and I don't fret about it. What is a problem, and I would hope that others more closely associated with the process would share my concerns, is that there are coaches who will undoubtedly cast their vote based entirely upon what they read in Cats Pause. They should have been given more accurate and comprehensive information. Those players who are eligible deserve a more careful and thorough consideration.

 

:thumb:

I had a social studies teacher in high school that refused to let us use the word 'fair' in his class. He said life isn't fair and you may as well get used to it. At that time, it confused me, but it is one of those great lessons that sticks with you throughout your adult life and each time you are reminded of your wonderful teacher way back in the day.

 

Unfortunately, the situation all are describing that is happening on the state level happens in all areas of sports. Even on the local level, more easily recognizable names often get the recognition and attention of the press, the sporting community etc. Is it, shall I say it? FAIR? No, but it happens. It isn't right either, but it happens. It is definitely a shame too.

 

The same holds true for offensive and defensive players. Score points: you are a hero. Play good hard defense and make numerous assist and get no recognition at all.

Very good points. And I thought you didn't pay attention in class.:lol:

I guarantee you that the college coaches see the assist and are more than a little excited to see a player that can & does play defense.

I've accused no one of bias...not on the part of the media nor of those coaches who will vote on the matter. Neither am I campaigning for any player, although I readily admit my own bias.

 

This entire discussion for me revolves around the only article I've read to date about the matter, the Cats Pause season preview, in which the author described Rebecca Gray as the clear favorite for the title of Miss Basketball and chose to illustrate his suggestion by citing her stats. What was obvious to me was his failure to demonstrate that at least one other candidate had better figures...and I suspect there are others. How difficult would it have been to do some elementary research for such an article? And how does one know just who is the favorite? Did he conduct a poll?

 

I would further point out...and I am open for correction on the matter...that most of those who will cast a vote will have never seen those players about whom they are supposed to make a judgment. That can't be avoided and I don't fret about it. What is a problem, and I would hope that others more closely associated with the process would share my concerns, is that there are coaches who will undoubtedly cast their vote based entirely upon what they read in Cats Pause. They should have been given more accurate and comprehensive information. Those players who are eligible deserve a more careful and thorough consideration.

Our own bias was what I was referring to. If my team has a player worthy of consideration then I want him or her to win and I will debate to that affect. As for how votes are cast, no matter what the information is and whether they read it or not, some will always pull the single ticket lever.

Very good points. And I thought you didn't pay attention in class.:lol:

I guarantee you that the college coaches see the assist and are more than a little excited to see a player that can & does play defense.

 

 

Well it was actually a jr. high civics class...Bless Coach Stanley's heart for a great life lesson! I learned to act like I was paying attention as the years went by!

 

 

I am not a coach and don't claim to be, so I hope your last statement is correct. Thanks.

I had a social studies teacher in high school that refused to let us use the word 'fair' in his class. He said life isn't fair and you may as well get used to it. At that time, it confused me, but it is one of those great lessons that sticks with you throughout your adult life and each time you are reminded of your wonderful teacher way back in the day.

 

Unfortunately, the situation all are describing that is happening on the state level happens in all areas of sports. Even on the local level, more easily recognizable names often get the recognition and attention of the press, the sporting community etc. Is it, shall I say it? FAIR? No, but it happens. It isn't right either, but it happens. It is definitely a shame too.

 

The same holds true for offensive and defensive players. Score points: you are a hero. Play good hard defense and make numerous assist and get no recognition at all.

 

Well said, Incognito...and I agree. I don't expect fairness and try not to demand it. I do, however, try to point out when it is lacking, if for no other reason than to call those responsible to account. In this context what is in my view...how shall I say it...less than ideal journalism.

 

As for the kind of recognition that really matters...I've always told my own children with respect to sports...and this is rather trite, but makes the same point as Cvillecat...those that know, know.

Well said, Incognito...and I agree. I don't expect fairness and try not to demand it. I do, however, try to point out when it is lacking, if for no other reason than to call those responsible to account. In this context what is in my view...how shall I say it...less than ideal journalism.

 

As for the kind of recognition that really matters...I've always told my own children with respect to sports...and this is rather trite, but makes the same point as Cvillecat...those that know, know.

 

 

Very well put, Himmelfarb!:thumb:

I have seen Gray play several times, and she is a nice player. Honestly I think Queen and Terry are both right up there with her, if not ahead. But what hurts the RH girls is perception, if Gray has a great year no matter what eveybody else does she will win. Same thing happened last year with Anika Brown. No matter what Norton, Marsh, Lymon, Faulkner, Rich, etc. did she was the front runner in everybodies mind and right or wrong she one the award. Not saying she didn't deserve it, but when you mentioned the award her name came up first as does Gray's.

 

I would guess that "Norton, Marsh, Lymon, Faulkner, Rich, etc." don't think about it anymore. They're too busy actually playing at the next level.

... When everyone empties their bladder, the contest will end.

 

You do have a way with words, Yak. Truly, it is a gift.

 

 

Frances

I would hope the two hadicaps you are referring to are not the two coaches, because these are the same two coaches that took Rose Hill to the State Championship game last year.

 

No, Gatorlover - as I said earlier - I will have to "leave it at that". If I complete my thoughts from earlier, I will only hurt some feelings that I would not want to hurt. I should have bitten my tongue, and kept my thoughts to myself.

 

 

Frances

... Score points: you are a hero. Play good hard defense and make numerous assist and get no recognition at all.

 

LOL - it sounds like you are describing the life of an offensive lineman in football.

 

 

Frances

Aunt B, I have heard you criticize others on this site for not identifying themselves. I would submit to you that what you have done in this thread is worse. You have laid a disapointing season at the feet of two people, but failed to name them. This could cause hard feelings for several people or several pairs of people. Personally I just consider the source and your opinion means nothing to me, but there are some who are more sensitive. I would say if you don't have the backbone to say it keep you fingers off the keyboard.

When it comes to statewide awards there will always be the problem of regional voter bias. Due to contraints because of time or geography, even well intentioned coaches cannot see all the viable candidates for Miss Basketball. It is only normal that they will place more stock in the the players they are most familiar with. Unfortuately these coaches must rely on the media or hearsay to make their final decisions. Maybe the answer is to award regional players of the year instead of an overall state player. Of course, this would dilute the prestige of the Miss Basketball award.

 

I myself have never been a big supporter of individual awards such as All - Area teams or even all-tournament teams. Too many times I have seen hard feelings caused between team-mates or the "team player" be ignored by the selection committee. I think these awards are adverse to the team concept and may cause some players to think "me" instead of "team"

 

But since these awards will not be eliminated from high school sports in my lifetime, let me say that I truly hope one of the talented and hard-working girls from Rose Hill wins Miss Basketball. a

Another trip to Diddle could go a long way to making this a reality.

Aunt B, I have heard you criticize others on this site for not identifying themselves. I would submit to you that what you have done in this thread is worse. You have laid a disapointing season at the feet of two people, but failed to name them. This could cause hard feelings for several people or several pairs of people. Personally I just consider the source and your opinion means nothing to me, but there are some who are more sensitive. I would say if you don't have the backbone to say it keep you fingers off the keyboard.

 

Well let's just get started, shall we?

 

First, I have identified myself numerous times. No one (that gives a hoot) doubts my identity. You, on the other hand, choose not to reveal yours. Not a problem, but you really ought to be careful up there on that high horse.

 

Second, I did not lay this season at the feet of two people. Either your ability to digest the written word is lacking, or you intentionally took my post for something that it was not. My words "I think Queen and Terry are playing with two more handicaps" do not speak about those handicaps, much less indicate that the handicaps are individual people. When you try to read my mind, please put your glasses on first.

 

Third, I cannot possibly overstate how little I value your opinion, so I guess we'll call that one a push.

 

Fourth, if you don't like my posts, feel free to exercise the "Ignore" feature. My fingers will continue to grace the keyboard, regardless of what you read into my posts. On second thought, knowing that you are bothered by something I did not say makes it all the more likely that you will continue to be heartbroken.

 

 

Frances

Well let's just get started, shall we?

 

First, I have identified myself numerous times. No one (that gives a hoot) doubts my identity. You, on the other hand, choose not to reveal yours. Not a problem, but you really ought to be careful up there on that high horse.

 

Second, I did not lay this season at the feet of two people. Either your ability to digest the written word is lacking, or you intentionally took my post for something that it was not. My words "I think Queen and Terry are playing with two more handicaps" do not speak about those handicaps, much less indicate that the handicaps are individual people. When you try to read my mind, please put your glasses on first.

 

Third, I cannot possibly overstate how little I value your opinion, so I guess we'll call that one a push.

 

Fourth, if you don't like my posts, feel free to exercise the "Ignore" feature. My fingers will continue to grace the keyboard, regardless of what you read into my posts. On second thought, knowing that you are bothered by something I did not say makes it all the more likely that you will continue to be heartbroken.

 

 

Frances

And you said I had a way with words. I aspire to be just half the orator that you are my dear lady. I will catch up with you at a game you attend and introduce myself. I think we have many of the same acquaintances.

And you said I had a way with words. I aspire to be just half the orator that you are my dear lady. I will catch up with you at a game you attend and introduce myself. I think we have many of the same acquaintances.

 

I anxiously await the moment, kind sir ...

 

 

Frances

 

PS - knowing many of the same acquaintances that I know may not be something you want to brag about - depending on who they are.