December 15, 200619 yr It's simple, it's a good list but 47% of Tubby's UK recruits didn't make it to their senior year, and none of them went to the Final Four even once! You guys are wrong!!!! I'm not sure about the % that made it to their senior season but the 1998 National Champs DID in fact contain a Tubby Smith recruit. Saul Smith played on that team...... :D
December 15, 200619 yr Gametime I will say this you and all of the other people who dislike Tubby are exactly right! Tubby can't coach he can't recruit! He is a loser! I am officially done posting on College Basketball! Like I said eariler its like banging your head on the wall!Right now I hate being apart of a group of people that call themselves UK basketball fans! I will pull for the cats always but I will not be a part of the so called fans that that give our state and school a bad name!!! Hey Big Guy, You really do need to lighten up. Gametime just made a valid point, and a very obvious one at that. Tubby will be fine when he lands a Patterson , Moses, Or Lucas. I have enjoyed some of your posts even though I haven't commented on them. I was the one last year who coined the thread UK Bandwagon on or off!!
December 15, 200619 yr I'm just curious, but do you ever use a period instead of an exclamation? Maybe we should just nominate you to teach English 101 here on BGP???
December 15, 200619 yr I posted these on the Travis Ford thread but they fit better on the Tubby thread so I'll repost them for some perspective: Here's all the coaches records since Rupp retired. Joe Hall.........297-100 .748 Eddie Sutton..88-39 .693 Rick Pitino.....219-50 .814 Tubby Smith..241-71 .772 So basically over 100 games Pitino would win 4 more than Tubby. 100 games would be pretty much 3 seasons so Pitino would win 1.33 games more per season than Tubby with their winning percentages. I fail to see that big of a difference. Here's what bothers me so much about UK fans. If you look at our national titles it isn't like we've managed to win one every few years or anything. 3 of the 7 were won in a 4 year span from 48 until 51. You could go further and point out that Rupp won his 4th one in 58 so that was 4 titles in 11 seasons. Take away that flurry and UK has 3 titles in 49 years. There are now over 300 schools playing division 1 basketball, great players don't stay in college very long and when they do its rare that they'll go to a school that already has another highly recruited player at their position which further spreads out the good players. Since Kentucky won its last title in 1998 the only team with multiple titles is UConn. It is simply a different game now. When George Mason makes a Final Four run it should show everyone that once you get to tourney that everything is a crap shoot, particularly after the first round. Here's some more numbers to point out how unrealistic people are being about UK basketball. Starting with Tubby's first year (97-98) here is a list of teams that have made the final four with number of appearances in (). Michigan St. (4) Duke (3) North Carolina (3) Connecticut (2) Florida (2) Maryland (2) Kansas (2) Kentucky, Stanford, Utah, Ohio St, Wisconsin, Arizona, Indiana, Oklahoma, Texas, Marquette, Syracuse, Oklahoma St, Georgia Tech, Illinois, Louisville, UCLA, LSU, George Mason all with (1) That's 25 different teams in 9 seasons. The only team to win multiple titles is Connecticut and the only teams to make multiple finals appearances are Connecticut, Duke and Florida. No one at ANY program should expect their team to make the Final Four every year--those days are gone. It is reasonable to expect your team to be in the tourney every year and have a chance to advance--that's about as good as its going to get. There's a lot of proud programs and great coaches represented on that list but here's one thing that may suprise you. Out of all those teams that have appeared in the Final Four since 1998 here's the list of the teams that have even made every tourney since then: Connecticut, Duke, Michigan St, Arizona, Kansas, and Kentucky--and all of those teams except Duke and Connecticut have been a number 8 seed or worse at least one of those years. That puts UK and Tubby in some pretty elite company during his tenure.
December 15, 200619 yr He can't keep missing and keep his job either... I wouldn't exactly call that list 'missing'...Very impressive lists, IMO...
December 15, 200619 yr And that's fine. Where are they? I know one is in Tennessee... Ricky P missed out on him too, but, don't see anyone complaining about him...
December 15, 200619 yr I wouldn't exactly call that list 'missing'...Very impressive lists, IMO... Impressive compared to what???
December 15, 200619 yr Ricky P missed out on him too, but, don't see anyone complaining about him... That doesn't change the fact the kid wanted to play for UK his whole life, does it...
December 15, 200619 yr I like Tubby and am not a UK fan, but nice try. His recruiting inconsistency is a problem. I call a spade a spade... Prince and Bogans were at KY and that covered it up. Having 2 bad and 2 good doesn't. I agree 100% that it's a problem.
December 15, 200619 yr Ricky P missed out on him too, but, don't see anyone complaining about him... He offered and C-Lo wanted to go play at KY. When he realized C-Lo wasn't committed to going to U of L what did you expect him to do?
December 15, 200619 yr Impressive compared to what??? Impressive lists of recruits, imo...There may be a couple of other programs who've had better, but, I'd bet 95% of the current coaches would love to have had these type of recruits...
December 15, 200619 yr He offered and C-Lo wanted to go play at KY. When he realized C-Lo wasn't committed to going to U of L what did you expect him to do? Get bashed by the same people bashing Tubby...Remember, Ricky P is a masterful recruiter and UK had no chance to win a NC if not for his recruits and if Ricky P can't keep a player instate over UT, what does that say about his recruiting ability...
December 15, 200619 yr Tayshuan Prince Keith Bogans Marvin Stone Marquis Estill Cliff Hawkins Gerald Fitch Erik Daniels Jason Parker Check Hayes rashaad Carruth Kalenna Azubuike Ravi Moss Joe Crawford Randolph Morris Rajon Rondo Michael Porter Derrick Jasper Jodie Meeks Perry Stevenson Can we get the rest of the list? Simms Stockton Orbzut Allyene Thomas Perry Who are the rest? Most of these guys were recruited late to fill a spot, right? Let's hear it...
December 15, 200619 yr Can we get the rest of the list? Simms Stockton Orbzut Allyene Thomas Perry Who are the rest? Most of these guys were recruited late to fill a spot, right? Let's hear it... Don't forget Adam Williams.
December 15, 200619 yr Don't forget Adam Williams. I'd love to see the full list for all 9 years. I get the feeling it would do wonders for my point...
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