The closed mindedness of some amazes me...

I'm assuming, Birdie, that you are consistent in your feelings and think there should be one class for football, correct?

Not at all cshs81. It's two totally different arena's. Go back and look at my post #21. Football and Baseball are NOT the same.

 

Football requires a minimum of about 40 players. It requires a larger number of kids to get that many players to field a football team.

 

Baseball is just not the same. Period. You can field a good baseball team with as little as 14 players. It doesn't leave a lot of room for injury, but it can be done. If a school of 250 boys can't find 14 boys to play baseball, then maybe they should rethink their approach to playing, like combining those who are interested in the game with a neighboring school.

Not at all cshs81. It's two totally different arena's. Go back and look at my post #21. Football and Baseball are NOT the same.

 

Football requires a minimum of about 40 players. It requires a larger number of kids to get that many players to field a football team.

 

Baseball is just not the same. Period. You can field a good baseball team with as little as 14 players. It doesn't leave a lot of room for injury, but it can be done. If a school of 250 boys can't find 14 boys to play baseball, then maybe they should rethink their approach to playing, like combining those who are interested in the game with a neighboring school.

 

I really don't think that the KHSAA would allow that. And 14 players, sure it could be done. But, like you said, no room for injuries.

 

Football requires a minimum of about 40 players. .

 

You're confusing the number of players on a roster with the number that actually play. Outside of a very few number of schools, teams play about 20 kids max in a game. So now we're talking 11 for baseball vs 20 in football ie not that big of a difference.

You're confusing the number of players on a roster with the number that actually play. Outside of a very few number of schools, teams play about 20 kids max in a game. So now we're talking 11 for baseball vs 20 in football ie not that big of a difference.

 

No, I'm paring down a football roster of 50 to 60 kids, to 40 who actually get playing time on the field. You are forgeting about special teams; extra point - offense and defense, Field goal - offense and defense, kick-off, kick-off return, punt and punt return.

 

It's JMO, but if you play only 20 kids both ways and on every special team, you don't stand a chance of being competitive at any level. By the time you got to the 4th quarter they wouldn't have any legs left.

 

14 on a baseball team is an absolute minimum. The odds are not in your favor of going deep in a tournament with only 14. But you can be competitive.

 

There is no comparison between Football and Baseball from a numbers perspective.

You are so right Bulldogg77. I don't even know why we have a tournament at the end of the season. Everyone should just play for fun. Every player should get a snow cone after every game. Heck, while we're at it I think everyone should get a participation trophey to take home with them at the end of the season.

 

Hey! I've got a better idea how about we give every player a CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY. Yea, That's it! Even those kids at the beginning of the season who tried out for the team and got cut. They shouldn't be left out. They're entitled. We don't want them to have their feelings hurt for the whole summer.

 

 

 

Great answer. When you have no legitimate response, use some facetious collection of nothing to prove your point. In no way am I or anyone else espousing the "everybody wins scenario." But why can't you acknowledge that there are clear inequities with the current system that CAN be simply resolved? I'll bet you a "snowcone" you are absolutely in favor of the separation of public and private, as are the majority of those who claim the "one class" system currently in vogue is best left alone!!. Only when the inequities seem to hurt the 3A and 4A county schools does it matter? Apparently so. I'll take my chances against a private school with an enrollment of 350, but I can't see the logic of having to compete with the numbers, facilities and money of a PRP or Trinity. LOGIC. Clearly a lost art here.

No, I'm paring down a football roster of 50 to 60 kids, to 40 who actually get playing time on the field. You are forgeting about special teams; extra point - offense and defense, Field goal - offense and defense, kick-off, kick-off return, punt and punt return.

 

It's JMO, but if you play only 20 kids both ways and on every special team, you don't stand a chance of being competitive at any level. By the time you got to the 4th quarter they wouldn't have any legs left.

 

14 on a baseball team is an absolute minimum. The odds are not in your favor of going deep in a tournament with only 14. But you can be competitive.

 

There is no comparison between Football and Baseball from a numbers perspective.

 

I challenge you to find 10 schools that have 40 players get action during a football game.

 

CCH is one of the few schools in the state to use a platoon system and I bet they didn't have 40 see the field.

Great answer. When you have no legitimate response, use some facetious collection of nothing to prove your point. In no way am I or anyone else espousing the "everybody wins scenario." Bur why can't you acknowledge that there are clear inequities with the current system that CAN be simply resolved? I'll bet you a "snowcone" you are absolutely in favor of the separation of public and private, as are the majority of those who claim the "one class" system currently in vogue is best left alone!!. Only when the inequities seem to hurt the #A and 4A county schools does it matter? Apparently so. I'll take my chances against a private school with an enrollment of 350, but I can't see the logic of having to compete with the numbers, facilities and money of a PRP or Trinity. LOGIC. Clearly a lost art here.

BD77, I said before I was old school and perhaps like several, I don't accept change easy....I would be also willing to concede, if classes were placed in Baseball, with proper organization, structure and ensuring enrollment size, myself and many others would ultimately accept it.

 

I've thought a lot about this topic, since first posted and I'm continually asking myself, am I hesitant for change, because it's change....or because I see some of the size problems, which factor into Regional competition in Basketball....I'm still not sure.

S3 you know I have great respect for your opinion and value your consideration. I believe you have struck precisely the correct chord (IMO) and that is fear of change for changes sake. Reality is that size matters more than the ability to recruit, to motivate or to coach. Sheer numbers ensures that you WILL be a contender os some level every year. Is it fair for the small schools to have to wait for that miracle year to compete while the other 3, 4 or 7 years they should be satisfied with their lot in life? I don't believe in the "feelings" approach at all. Not my style in the least. But realistic competition should be the order of the day here. We cry out for the level playing field when it concerns the privates, yet we ignore this issue which clearly affects more school districts.

S3 you know I have great respect for your opinion and value your consideration. I believe you have struck precisely the correct chord (IMO) and that is fear of change for changes sake. Reality is that size matters more than the ability to recruit, to motivate or to coach. Sheer numbers ensures that you WILL be a contender os some level every year. Is it fair for the small schools to have to wait for that miracle year to compete while the other 3, 4 or 7 years they should be satisfied with their lot in life? I don't believe in the "feelings" approach at all. Not my style in the least. But realistic competition should be the order of the day here. We cry out for the level playing field when it concerns the privates, yet we ignore this issue which clearly affects more school districts.

You are right, I've discussed this issue with several, regarding change....and I find myself using words like, "if it's not broken...history...sometimes" and to be fair/honest here, your point of contention on that miracle year or every once in a while, is 100% correct.

 

I have several concerns and the biggest, is the enrollment factor. I still can't understand how a 3A football program, can be 1A in Baseball and those bureaucratic determinations, still perplex me.

 

I had someone ask me, "If they had classes, how many titles do you think your school would have one"....I can only imagine, if given the chance.

I challenge you to find 10 schools that have 40 players get action during a football game.

 

CCH is one of the few schools in the state to use a platoon system and I bet they didn't have 40 see the field.

Here are 10 suggestions. Although we'll never know because that is not a statistic that gets tracked by any coach in his right mind. It would come back to haunt them if they did!

1. Male

2. Manual

3. Trinity

4. St. X

5. Bowling Green

6. Lexington Catholic

7. PRP

8. Holy Cross

9. Warren Central

10. Scott Co.

Great answer. When you have no legitimate response, use some facetious collection of nothing to prove your point. In no way am I or anyone else espousing the "everybody wins scenario." But why can't you acknowledge that there are clear inequities with the current system that CAN be simply resolved? I'll bet you a "snowcone" you are absolutely in favor of the separation of public and private, as are the majority of those who claim the "one class" system currently in vogue is best left alone!!. Only when the inequities seem to hurt the 3A and 4A county schools does it matter? Apparently so. I'll take my chances against a private school with an enrollment of 350, but I can't see the logic of having to compete with the numbers, facilities and money of a PRP or Trinity. LOGIC. Clearly a lost art here.

BD77. You owe me a snow cone. I am totally against separating the Privates and the Publics. I think it would be an injustice to them all for a lot of reasons.

 

Call me old fashion if you want, but competition is competition. Who cares what the other teams back ground is or where they come from. I just don't like trying to level the playing field by any other means other than on the field. You put your best nine against my best nine and the winner takes home the iron.

 

It took me a long time to get over this in the game of Football. I now agree because of the physical nature of the sport that there needs to be multiple divisions to help the smaller schools. I won't go so easily when it comes to Baseball. The numbers needed to compete and to cover injuries are just not the same. Sorry it's JMO

Here are 10 suggestions. Although we'll never know because that is not a statistic that gets tracked by any coach in his right mind. It would come back to haunt them if they did!

1. Male

2. Manual

3. Trinity

4. St. X

5. Bowling Green

6. Lexington Catholic

7. PRP

8. Holy Cross

9. Warren Central

10. Scott Co.

 

No way...

No way...

 

 

RP says X and T might but no way Male .

RP says X and T might but no way Male .

 

2 is not close to 10...:thumb: