While Jr. took a lot of heat for it this summer, but this is honestly, the best way to handle it instead of the middle of a pennant race.

 

Also, those who decry talking to JR in doing this absolutely crack me up. How many of the same people would work for their employee for 6-12 years doing the same job each and every day and would GLADLY accept the boss coming in and saying, hey Bob, tomorrow, you are doing this job instead of the job that you have been doing for the past 12 years and you believe you are doing a good job at.

 

I am sure all of you who are ripping JR and being offended talking to him about the move, would look your boss deeply in his eyes and say, "Yes sir" and be happy about it.

I respect your opinion and agree that moving Griffey should require his knowledge before hand but post 2 through 7 are pretty accurate.

As for being on a job where the boss comes in and makes changes to your craft the answer is yes, I have had that experience. It is something that comes with working for the other guy. My boss was the man in charge so I do as I am told just as Griffey should do.You may not agree but it is a reality when you work for someone else. If I loafed on my job as he has sometimes been known to do I would have been in the unemployment line.

If Griffey wants to pick and choose when and where he plays, I suggest he buy the team and insert himself in the lineup in the position and batting order of his choice. Griffey has been a great player through the years and seems like a nice guy but he is not bigger than the game itself. I am glad Ryan Freel and Griff think differently!!

I respect your opinion and agree that moving Griffey should require his knowledge before hand but post 2 through 7 are pretty accurate.

As for being on a job where the boss comes in and makes changes to your craft the answer is yes, I have had that experience. It is something that comes with working for the other guy. My boss was the man in charge so I do as I am told just as Griffey should do.You may not agree but it is a reality when you work for someone else. If I loafed on my job as he has sometimes been known to do I would have been in the unemployment line.

If Griffey wants to pick and choose when and where he plays, I suggest he buy the team and insert himself in the lineup in the position and batting order of his choice. Griffey has been a great player through the years and seems like a nice guy but he is not bigger than the game itself. I am glad Ryan Freel and Griff think differently!!

And as I said later or earlier or at sometime, he balks and he is free game as far as I am concerned. Rip him, because I also believe it is a move that needs to be made. But I don't see ripping him because the Reds are treating him with some respect. It is NOT like they are dealing with a Chris Denorfia.

 

And would you have preferred being treated with respect and having a discussion about it so you could transition into it instead of showing up one morning and told this is it.

 

As I said, Sparky was known for babying and coddling his superstars and he goes down as one of the greatest managers of all time. He seemed to know a little about managing.

And as I said later or earlier or at sometime, he balks and he is free game as far as I am concerned. Rip him, because I also believe it is a move that needs to be made. But I don't see ripping him because the Reds are treating him with some respect. It is NOT like they are dealing with a Chris Denorfia.

 

And would you have preferred being treated with respect and having a discussion about it so you could transition into it instead of showing up one morning and told this is it.

 

As I said, Sparky was known for babying and coddling his superstars and he goes down as one of the greatest managers of all time. He seemed to know a little about managing.

I was treated with respect. My employer respected me enough to give me a job. I worked (for them) to produce and perform my job to the best of my abilities so that my productivity would bring in revenue to the company I represented and to care for my family. Griffey has been treated with respect by the Reds, has he shown the same respect? No one is "ripping" Griffey as you say, I simply stated that IMO a player should play where the manager say he should play. Sparky was a great manager, no one in their right mind would argue that. Sparky may have handled the superstars different from an average player but I guarantee if Sparky was the manager and wanted Griffey to play RF that is where he would be on the next games lineup card. He didn't powder their butts and buy them Roses (no pun intended) and ask permission to make a lineup change, he didn't get the name Capt. Hook by asking a pitcher if he wanted to pitch one more inning.

I was treated with respect. My employer respected me enough to give me a job. I worked (for them) to produce and perform my job to the best of my abilities so that my productivity would bring in revenue to the company I represented and to care for my family. Griffey has been treated with respect by the Reds, has he shown the same respect? No one is "ripping" Griffey as you say, I simply stated that IMO a player should play where the manager say he should play. Sparky was a great manager, no one in their right mind would argue that. Sparky may have handled the superstars different from an average player but I guarantee if Sparky was the manager and wanted Griffey to play RF that is where he would be on the next games lineup card. He didn't powder their butts and buy them Roses (no pun intended) and ask permission to make a lineup change, he didn't get the name Capt. Hook by asking a pitcher if he wanted to pitch one more inning.

He did treat Rose, Bench, Morgan differently than he treated others and that is pretty much by his own admission. And I seem to recall Rose talking about conversations with Sparky on what was going on with the team, strategy and the like.

 

And let me be clear on my position. Should the Reds move him with his permission. No. Should they have a conversation with him about the move, discuss the different reasons, I don't have a problem with it and think it will go along way towards making a smooth transition.

 

I would say that a conversation last offseason occurred between Dunn and the manager about him moving to first and that possibility. I see this as no difference.

 

If Dunn or Jr rejects the move and refuses to play or throws a temper tantrum, they are wrong. They should play the position asked. But also, I think a conversation between them and the staff is necessary and I see that as being what happened.

If I'm making "Griffey money", I'll not only smile, say "yes sir or yes ma'am", but Ill also ask if there was anything else I could do to make the company better.

If I'm making "Griffey money", I'll not only smile, say "yes sir or yes ma'am", but Ill also ask if there was anything else I could do to make the company better.

Back when I was teaching Business Management there is a theory out there by some psychologist maybe Maslow who said that $$$ is not a motivation method. We all believe that we deserve the money we are paid and probably are underpaid anyhow. That $$$$ does not motivate us to worker harder (barring commission).

. Griffey has been treated with respect by the Reds, has he shown the same respect? .

He signed for undervalue if I remember. Did it work out as everyone expected, definitely know. But at the time he signed, he signed for less than what he was worth.

He signed for undervalue if I remember. Did it work out as everyone expected, definitely know. But at the time he signed, he signed for less than what he was worth.

He got the money he was worth, he just agreed to spread it out over 20 years so the payroll could stay somewhat in line...

What has Griffey done in the last 3 or 4 years to deserve any ego coddling?

Seriously he sat out a playoff race because of a sprained toe. I've defended him and his injuries for a long time, but last year led me to believe that the Reds should be done with Griffey.

He got the money he was worth, he just agreed to spread it out over 20 years so the payroll could stay somewhat in line...

Thanks for the correction.

 

Not sure it did that though in the long run.

Seriously he sat out a playoff race because of a sprained toe. I've defended him and his injuries for a long time, but last year led me to believe that the Reds should be done with Griffey.

Griffey is one of my favorite players.

Also, one of my son's.

 

But if they could get quality pitching for him, I say go for it.

 

On a sidenote: if my son names you as one of his favorites you become tradebait.

 

Sean Casey, gone.

Jason LaRue, gone.

Adam Dunn, hot trade rumors.

Ken Griffey Jr, good number of fans want him gone.

He did treat Rose, Bench, Morgan differently than he treated others and that is pretty much by his own admission. And I seem to recall Rose talking about conversations with Sparky on what was going on with the team, strategy and the like.

 

And let me be clear on my position. Should the Reds move him with his permission. No. Should they have a conversation with him about the move, discuss the different reasons, I don't have a problem with it and think it will go along way towards making a smooth transition.

 

I would say that a conversation last offseason occurred between Dunn and the manager about him moving to first and that possibility. I see this as no difference.

 

If Dunn or Jr rejects the move and refuses to play or throws a temper tantrum, they are wrong. They should play the position asked. But also, I think a conversation between them and the staff is necessary and I see that as being what happened.

I agree 100% about the conversation between Griffey and management being a must but for Griffey to have to think about whether he will obey or the move has to be discussed through his agent is OMO an absolute joke. Each player has to be treated and coached as an individual and Griffey is no different. Im sure he has been approached many times by a manager and ask his opinion about the game at hand. He has a great baseball mind and gives a lot of insight to what takes place but for him to expect management to ask him for permission before making a change is out of line not just for Griffey but any player on any team.

He signed for undervalue if I remember. Did it work out as everyone expected, definitely know. But at the time he signed, he signed for less than what he was worth.

He signed for undervalue!!! Oh my!!! He lost nothing, the money due him is spread out over several years. I commend him for not expecting it all at once as it helped to make room for some other signings but in no way was he (or any other player) signed for less than they were worth.

He did treat Rose, Bench, Morgan differently than he treated others and that is pretty much by his own admission. And I seem to recall Rose talking about conversations with Sparky on what was going on with the team, strategy and the like.

 

And let me be clear on my position. Should the Reds move him with his permission. No. Should they have a conversation with him about the move, discuss the different reasons, I don't have a problem with it and think it will go along way towards making a smooth transition.

 

I would say that a conversation last offseason occurred between Dunn and the manager about him moving to first and that possibility. I see this as no difference.

 

If Dunn or Jr rejects the move and refuses to play or throws a temper tantrum, they are wrong. They should play the position asked. But also, I think a conversation between them and the staff is necessary and I see that as being what happened.

Please, Rose Bench and Morgan won championships. Griffey and Dunn (no Dunn doesn't belong in this conversation) have won nothing. Don't compare anyone to the Big Red Machine, it is sacrilige to do so.:fire: