December 10, 20187 yr You and Dognation2 may well be onto something, but the irony is, since 2000, Oklahoma now has 4 Heisman winners, and Alabama only has 2 (and one of those with the 2nd lowest percentage of possible points during that span). OU's offense is very well suited to produce Heisman contenders (and winners). High octane offense versus sub-par defenses.
December 10, 20187 yr Author Tua stats against the 3 best defenses he played (LSU, Miss St, Georgia) - 207 yds/ game - 55.4 completion % - 4 TD/ 4 INT - 4 Total rushing yards - 1 Rushing TD It’s really not that difficult to figure out. Yes Tua wasn’t 100% in these games, but you can’t delegitimize what Kyler did simply because Tua wasn’t 100% healthy. Would Tua’s numbers have been better in those games if he was 100%, probably. But we can’t just project what Tua’s numbers would have been if he was healthy.
December 10, 20187 yr Author The two redzone picks and one dropped had something to do with it in a championship game, where the backup bailed him out? I think it’s safe to say. I researched what Tua’s stats were against the best defenses he played below. Looking at those numbers it’s pretty clear why Kyler won.
December 10, 20187 yr Seems like a very humble kid. Good for him. Tua appeared to be genuinely happy for him...Haskins..not so much. Is he supposed to be?
December 10, 20187 yr Tua stats against the 3 best defenses he played (LSU, Miss St, Georgia) - 207 yds/ game - 55.4 completion % - 4 TD/ 4 INT - 4 Total rushing yards - 1 Rushing TD It’s really not that difficult to figure out. Yes Tua wasn’t 100% in these games, but you can’t delegitimize what Kyler did simply because Tua wasn’t 100% healthy. Would Tua’s numbers have been better in those games if he was 100%, probably. But we can’t just project what Tua’s numbers would have been if he was healthy. Yet his stats against top 50 defenses in the country go something like this: - 300+ yds/ game - 66 completion % - 17 TD/ 4 INT - 4 Total rushing yards people can spin stats to aid their viewpoint always. The fact is accurate: he didn't play well but his competition on this night compared to Kyler and Haskins wasn't close. Kyler played against a 3 loss team; and Haskins played against a team that loss to Akron.
December 10, 20187 yr OU's offense is very well suited to produce Heisman contenders (and winners). High octane offense versus sub-par defenses. Please say this louder for the people in the back.
December 10, 20187 yr You and Dognation2 may well be onto something, but the irony is, since 2000, Oklahoma now has 4 Heisman winners, and Alabama only has 2 (and one of those with the 2nd lowest percentage of possible points during that span). Not so much Heisman fatigue; just Bama fatigue all together. You are spot on about Ok's Heisman success. it seems like just plug and play. If you marry that with a conference that cares nothing about defense....well you get these numbers. Hard to argue against it though; stats don't lie and Kyler's stats are great.
December 10, 20187 yr Author Yet his stats against top 50 defenses in the country go something like this: - 300+ yds/ game - 66 completion % - 17 TD/ 4 INT - 4 Total rushing yards people can spin stats to aid their viewpoint always. The fact is accurate: he didn't play well but his competition on this night compared to Kyler and Haskins wasn't close. Kyler played against a 3 loss team; and Haskins played against a team that loss to Akron. Haskins stats against top 50 defenses is better and I’m not sitting here telling everyone Haskins should have won. I just don’t think it’s right nor fair to Kyler to say he just played against bad defenses and if he played against the defenses Tua did his stats would be bad too. Then you say the OU system lends itself to beating up on bad defenses, but just completely ignore the fact that the same system led by Baker last year torched a great Georgia defense. Haskins and Tua both played 3 games against top 30 defenses. Tua’s are the 3 games I already cited. Haskins: 333 yds per game 10 TD 0 INT 63 completion % 31 rushing yards 1 rushing TD Yet as big of an OSU guy as I am, I’m telling you the right guy won the trophy. Kyler did not play a bad game all year. Would he have played a bad game against Georgia like Tua did? We have no way of knowing the answer to that question and I refuse to delegitimize what Kyler did because he did everything he was asked too.
December 10, 20187 yr Found the stats. Kyler in the 4th Quarter: 33/45 445 yard 6 TD 24 rushing attempts 253 yards 3 TD Tua in the 4th quarter: 4/8 69 yards 1 TD No Rushing Attempts
December 10, 20187 yr Author Honest question, how many 4th Quarters did Kyler sit out? So Kyler doesn’t deserve the award because his defense sucks?
December 10, 20187 yr So Kyler doesn’t deserve the award because his defense sucks? Who said he didn't deserve it?
December 10, 20187 yr Author The Heisman Trophy should not be given out based on projections: - Tua’s injury - Tua not playing a lot of 4th quarters Maybe if Tua plays in those 4th quarters he throws more interceptions. Did Tua’s injury cause him to throw 2 ints against Georgia or to be held under 200 yards against Miss State? You all are confusing correlation and causation. Tua playing bad against Georgia and his injury are correlated but it’s impossible to prove causation.
December 10, 20187 yr S I think it’s safe to say. I researched what Tua’s stats were against the best defenses he played below. Looking at those numbers it’s pretty clear why Kyler won. The SEC homers aren’t holding his 15.1 QBR rating against him vs. Georgia.
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