October 31, 200619 yr If you were Wayne Krivsky (or Theo Epstein, for that matter) would you make this deal? The Reds send Adam Dunn to the Red Sox for Mike Lowell, Craig Hansen, and Manny Delcarmen. Since you've probably never heard of the last two, let me help you out: Craig Hansen: He'll be 23 when the season starts (2007) Hansen's fastball (the best in the system) has topped out in the high 90s, and he consistently hits the mid-90s. He also possesses an excellent high-80s slider, which also was voted best in the system by Baseball America. A fierce competitor who has an excellent closer mentality. Does not walk many batters. Named "closest to the majors" of all players in the 2005 draft. MLB Comparison: Joe Nathan Manny Delcarmen: He'll be 25 when the season starts (2007) Boston native always dreamed of playing for the Sox. His career was on the fast track with a mid 90s fastball, and an outstanding curveball - until he injured himself in May 2003. Delcarmen had Tommy John surgery in May 2003, but returned to the mound a year later in May 2004. Post-surgery, Delcarmen's fastball may have actually gained velocity, as he has topped out in the high 90s. Delcarmen has average control, with decent changeup and a very good curve which he uses as his out pitch. Delcarmen's father played in the Phillies Organization. Assuming the Sox pick up some of Lowell's salary (I think it is $11.5 next year...not 100% sure), do you make this deal?
October 31, 200619 yr I like the sound of the prospects, but they are just that, prospects. I would want someone that has proven himself on the ML level. I also don't understand the Lowell part. Where would you play him?
October 31, 200619 yr Author I like the sound of the prospects, but they are just that, prospects. I would want someone that has proven himself on the ML level. I also don't understand the Lowell part. Where would you play him? I think the Reds would have to take Lowell to get the other two guys. My guess is that the Red Sox would insist on it. Dunn would be the everyday first-baseman for the Sawx and add some more lefty juice to balance out with Manny, Wily Mo, and Big Papi. Their offense would be silly. I'd guess the Reds would play Lowell at 3B and move Edwin to first or left.
October 31, 200619 yr I think the Reds would have to take Lowell to get the other two guys. My guess is that the Red Sox would insist on it. Dunn would be the everyday first-baseman for the Sawx and add some more lefty juice to balance out with Manny, Wily Mo, and Big Papi. Their offense would be silly. I'd guess the Reds would play Lowell at 3B and move Edwin to first or left. Have you read/heard rumors about this particular trade, or is this a HSSB special?
October 31, 200619 yr Is this a reported rumor or are you just speculating? I would probably pull the trigger if I were the Reds. They would need free agent help though for the lineup this year.
October 31, 200619 yr Author Have you read/heard rumors about this particular trade, or is this a HSSB special? A. :thumb: :irked:
October 31, 200619 yr Author Is this a reported rumor or are you just speculating? I would probably pull the trigger if I were the Reds. They would need free agent help though for the lineup this year. Still A.
October 31, 200619 yr Author I don't think Boston would do it. I disagree there 98. They free themselves of Lowell and they add a young slugger they can watch bend 50 bombs a year around Pesky Pole for the next decade. I don't think those big market teams worry about trading pitching prospects because they think they can always go and sign someone else.
October 31, 200619 yr I disagree there 98. They free themselves of Lowell and they add a young slugger they can watch bend 50 bombs a year around Pesky Pole for the next decade. I don't think those big market teams worry about trading pitching prospects because they think they can always go and sign someone else. I think the demise of the Yankees this year is a wake up call to that style of thinking...don't you? Don't you think they will be a little more protective of their pitching stockpile seeing just how important it is. the Tigers are a perfect model on how to build a fanchise. Pitching pitching and more pitching. I know they didn't win but they lost 103 two years ago and were there.
October 31, 200619 yr Author I think the demise of the Yankees this year is a wake up call to that style of thinking...don't you? Don't you think they will be a little more protective of their pitching stockpile seeing just how important it is. the Tigers are a perfect model on how to build a fanchise. Pitching pitching and more pitching. I know they didn't win but they lost 103 two years ago and were there. To your first point...no. I think Red Sox figure they can pull off what the Yankees couldn't. Plus, I think the Yankees made some fatal errors and that won't cause the Sawx to write off the whole premise of high-priced talent. To your second point, I think there is NO WAY that teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, and Braves scale back to follow the model set by mid-market teams. They'll continue to keep bludgeoning the league with spending sprees until it pays off. :thumb:
October 31, 200619 yr I disagree there 98. They free themselves of Lowell and they add a young slugger they can watch bend 50 bombs a year around Pesky Pole for the next decade. I don't think those big market teams worry about trading pitching prospects because they think they can always go and sign someone else. I wonder how Wayne really feels about that? This move may not be as bad as it may seem on the surface. At one time Lowell was considered one of the top 3rd basemen in the league, both offensively and defensively. In the event he could return to form he may approach the RBI total of Dunn and who knows about the pitching prospects, but added to Homer, our young arms would look quite impressive. My question is this,,What would you do HSSB? Unless I missed it somewhere, have you answered your own querie? We're talking about dumping your boy here!
October 31, 200619 yr Author I've consistently said that I hope he is traded for his sake (I think he takes way more flak from the fan base than he deserves), but no, I don't think the Reds should trade him for their sake. To this trade, I think it's a gamble. If you believe what you read, Hansen is a future big-time closer -- the Reds need that. Lowell could bounce back in the NL to his Marlin numbers...which were great. He'd also be another solid citizen in the clubby. I don't think there is a #1 starter out there to be had, so in the absence of that, a better than average offensive player and two of the top three pitching prospects from one of Baseball's best organizations seems like a good get. Plus, in the AL, he won't humiliate the Reds for trading him 8 - 16 times a year.
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