His BAC was between .082 and .092. No way they can prove a bartender overserved with those low #s .

 

Just mentioning what I heard. Like Mentsch indicated, more than likely a civil suit will be filed.

His BAC was between .082 and .092. No way they can prove a bartender overserved with those low #s .

 

Wasn't that over an hour after the accident?

 

But it also brings up an interesting question either way....Do bartenders (or those who serve alcohol) have to undergo training of some sort to detect and notice drunkenness? Also, at a golf course the interactions between a patron and the individual serving alcohol has got to be very minimal.

Wasn't that over an hour after the accident?

 

But it also brings up an interesting question either way....Do bartenders (or those who serve alcohol) have to undergo training of some sort to detect and notice drunkenness? Also, at a golf course the interactions between a patron and the individual serving alcohol has got to be very minimal.

 

Waaaaaaayyyyyy back in the day when I bartended, we were told if you think they're drunk, they're drunk and to quit serving them. If there was any question, we were told to call over a manager and let them make the call. I called more than a few cabs for people. A few came back the next day and thanked me. Others, well, when you're drunk you're not always as accepting of help as you should be.

His BAC was between .082 and .092. No way they can prove a bartender overserved with those low #s .

 

What the KC Attorney said, those numbers make him legally drunk in KY. And I'm sure the bartender thing may be a bit of a stretch but I guess he was tossing out some of the possibilities of this tragedy.

His BAC was between .082 and .092. No way they can prove a bartender overserved with those low #s .

Not to divert, but if he was "real drunk", I can't believe he got from Hickory Sticks to the AA. I don't drink a drop and have nearly wrecked 1,287 times between that Golf Course and the AA.

 

Such a shame, and those poor children that had their life ripped from them at such a young age, such an awful situation.

I don’t know any more details than what’s been posted here, but I’d wager he and his group grabbed beer and ice at the beginning of the round. It’s possible he didn’t even interact with anyone at the course on his way out. Maybe my view would change if he sat at the bar for a few hours after the round, but suing the course seems like an overstep here.

Wasn't that over an hour after the accident?

 

But it also brings up an interesting question either way....Do bartenders (or those who serve alcohol) have to undergo training of some sort to detect and notice drunkenness? Also, at a golf course the interactions between a patron and the individual serving alcohol has got to be very minimal.

 

I believe that in the industry it is called TIPS Certification. I have to go through it every 3 years as a beer vendor. Covers me at the various stadiums and venues.

 

The vending company that I work for through the Reds makes us go through a refresher every year. And it's hammered on us that technically we could be held accountable. Now the likelihood of me personally is probably pretty slim because there is no paper transaction proving that I was the vendor. I'm also not the only vendor working certain sections, so it would be extremely difficult. However, concession stand workers and a credit card was used, it can be proven. Extremely slim chance that individual in my scenarios get stuck, but I guess they could.

 

I believe the casino downtown got hit with a similar suit a few years ago. At least it's usually referenced in our training.

Not to divert, but if he was "real drunk", I can't believe he got from Hickory Sticks to the AA. I don't drink a drop and have nearly wrecked 1,287 times between that Golf Course and the AA.

 

Such a shame, and those poor children that had their life ripped from them at such a young age, such an awful situation.

 

I'm with you on that drive to the AA. I always have a concern about a head-on collision on that narrow road when leaving Sticks.

I play a lot of golf and I don't know a single golfer that brings his own beer to the course. Not one.

 

Wow, I'm not sure I know one who doesn't.

If he's like most golfers, he probably brought his own.

 

I play a lot of golf and I don't know a single golfer that brings his own beer to the course. Not one.

 

As I said, I should've said "most I know". None are regular golfers, so that may play a part in it.

 

I would imagine that it's not your avid golfers. Those golf outings that bring guys that golf once or twice a year? Absolutely guys are bringing their own alcohol. And I'm guilty of sneaking in some beers in myself but I've seen other guys bring a fifth of vodka and red bulls.

 

Not sure I'd be called "a golfer" though.

His BAC was between .082 and .092. No way they can prove a bartender overserved with those low #s .

 

A lot lower burden of proof with a civil suit. If they sue, I'd say Hickory Sticks writes them a check just to have it go away. However I agree with UKMF, he probably brought his own, might've bought a bucket or bag of 6 while he was out there.

As I said, I should've said "most I know". None are regular golfers, so that may play a part in it.

 

I dunno, maybe it's different for each generation or regionally but I'm with you. I've seen a lot of guys on NKY courses go pay for their green fees and cart. Grab the cart to go get their clubs and also load up on beer from their vehicle at the same time. Used to see league guys doing it all of the time.

There's a reason why the double yellow line exists. His judgement regardless of intoxication level was the reason why lives were lost.

 

Don't pass a slower vehicle on a double yellow folks. I showed property on that road on Monday and it's a chore just to pull out of a driveway. I cannot imagine what many families impacted by this tragedy are going through.

 

This was senseless and easily avoided if one just honored a couple lines on a well traveled rural road!

I play a lot of golf and I don't know a single golfer that brings his own beer to the course. Not one.

 

Lawnboys brother does!

He has already confessed to drinking and smoking marijuana according to fox news (Who for the longest time were pronouncing his name wrong).

I know the guy a little bit and know the family well. Great family. He was driving a Honda pilot, but not sure if he had a family of his own? He has hired a local attorney Stacey Graus. Not sure if Stacey has ever defended a murder case. This is horrible for both families (I know the Pollott's as well). Both have to live with the tragedy the rest of their lives. So sad when a foolish mistake costs lives, especially those of young kids.