What is an acceptable alternative? Having the RO apply a restraining hold until the child calms down? If that is the case, what if the RO has another incident elsewhere? I see lots of people condemning this action without offering an alternative.

 

No way I can answer that without knowing the situation. But physical restraint is the last resort by trained staff for a child that size would be the action in the cases I have witnessed for kids this age.

No way I can answer that without knowing the situation. But physical restraint is the last resort by trained staff for a child that size would be the action in the cases I have witnessed for kids this age.

 

The remedies for violent behaviour would typically be covered in the IEP of a challenged student. However, RO have no awareness of IEPs. Only school staff are aware of IEP provisions. The fact that the RO had to respond indicates staff was unable to respond which IMO is more of a liability than the actual restraint of the student.

The remedies for violent behaviour would typically be covered in the IEP of a challenged student. However, RO have no awareness of IEPs. Only school staff are aware of IEP provisions. The fact that the RO had to respond indicates staff was unable to respond which IMO is more of a liability than the actual restraint of the student.

 

I agree, this is rolling downhill and the School System is downhill from the Police.

The remedies for violent behaviour would typically be covered in the IEP of a challenged student. However, RO have no awareness of IEPs. Only school staff are aware of IEP provisions. The fact that the RO had to respond indicates staff was unable to respond which IMO is more of a liability than the actual restraint of the student.

 

Although you are mostly correct, we cannot assume this student was on an IEP. There are times students demonstrate this type of behavior and are not. Being 6-7 years old this student may not have qualified yet and was still in the RTI process and interventions were being explored.

 

Regardless, the responsibility is not solely on the LE/SRO. I am pretty familiar with this incident and there were mistakes at numerous levels by the school and SRO. I know the SRO and principals and they are upstanding good individuals that truly care about kids and take their jobs seriously. They could have and should have handled it differently. Bottom line don't handcuff a 2nd grader unless they have a gun or weapon.

Although you are mostly correct, we cannot assume this student was on an IEP. There are times students demonstrate this type of behavior and are not. Being 6-7 years old this student may not have qualified yet and was still in the RTI process and interventions were being explored.

 

Regardless, the responsibility is not solely on the LE/SRO. I am pretty familiar with this incident and there were mistakes at numerous levels by the school and SRO. I know the SRO and principals and they are upstanding good individuals that truly care about kids and take their jobs seriously. They could have and should have handled it differently. Bottom line don't handcuff a 2nd grader unless they have a gun or weapon.

 

No, the bottom line is the Police should not be involved with a 2nd grader unless they have a gun or a weapon.

No, the bottom line is the Police should not be involved with a 2nd grader unless they have a gun or a weapon.

 

Gotta agree with G on this one. There may be some inner city schools that need police in the hallways. An elementary school is not one. School administrators are in a no win situation, but they ultimately are responsible for trouble making(not lawbreaking) students. When laws are broken, then police should be involved, not disciplinary situations.

Although you are mostly correct, we cannot assume this student was on an IEP. There are times students demonstrate this type of behavior and are not. Being 6-7 years old this student may not have qualified yet and was still in the RTI process and interventions were being explored.

 

Regardless, the responsibility is not solely on the LE/SRO. I am pretty familiar with this incident and there were mistakes at numerous levels by the school and SRO. I know the SRO and principals and they are upstanding good individuals that truly care about kids and take their jobs seriously. They could have and should have handled it differently. Bottom line don't handcuff a 2nd grader unless they have a gun or weapon.

 

No, the bottom line is the Police should not be involved with a 2nd grader unless they have a gun or a weapon.

 

I had James Alex Fields in my Cub Scout Den and he was just a little bit older than the child who is the subject here. James is Bi Polar and was a very serious threat to others and himself at a very young age. Restraining this individual with hand cuffs would be extremely appropriate. Would the jury had been more forgiving of the school district if the student involved had killed one of his fellow students?

Although you are mostly correct, we cannot assume this student was on an IEP. There are times students demonstrate this type of behavior and are not. Being 6-7 years old this student may not have qualified yet and was still in the RTI process and interventions were being explored.

 

Regardless, the responsibility is not solely on the LE/SRO. I am pretty familiar with this incident and there were mistakes at numerous levels by the school and SRO. I know the SRO and principals and they are upstanding good individuals that truly care about kids and take their jobs seriously. They could have and should have handled it differently. Bottom line don't handcuff a 2nd grader unless they have a gun or weapon.

 

Why just a gun or weapon?

 

What if a kid beats another classmate with his fist?

 

What if a kid beats another teacher or administrator with his fist?

 

What if a kid puts another kid in an mma type hold? or a teacher perhaps?

Why just a gun or weapon?

 

What if a kid beats another classmate with his fist?

 

What if a kid beats another teacher or administrator with his fist?

 

What if a kid puts another kid in an mma type hold? or a teacher perhaps?

 

You are substituting "kid" for 2nd Grader so you are changing the narrative.

 

But to your larger point there are times very young children have to be restrained.

You are substituting "kid" for 2nd Grader so you are changing the narrative.

 

But to your larger point there are times very young children have to be restrained.

 

Kid - 2nd Grader same thing, the age shouldnt be an issue, they should be treated the same.

Kid - 2nd Grader same thing, the age shouldnt be an issue, they should be treated the same.

 

Age is always an issue in a civilized society.

Age is always an issue in a civilized society.

 

The assumption is we are a civilized society.

The assumption is we are a civilized society.

 

You are taking this way off course, please stop.

No, the bottom line is the Police should not be involved with a 2nd grader unless they have a gun or a weapon.

 

Agreed...

Like Guru said, schools need to be equipped to handle their students without the SRO acting as a bouncer. Unless the teacher thinks the child is a threat to themselves or others, call the parents. Too often police are called upon to act as disciplinarians/parents for children who are lacking that from their guardians.