What you keep glossing over is the fact that had the Dr left when first asked NO ONE expect for those on the plane would have known about this. His decision to act like a child is what lead to this at that point. Because you don't like United's policy and/or ability to remove anyone for any reason doesn't matter. They can, they did, and at that point what happened is 98% on him.

 

Now who is glossing over what?

 

Maybe he eventually acted weird once he was a bloody mess but it is United that came to him with an Ultimatum and we all know that Ultimatum is leave the plane or we will use whatever forced needed to remove you from the plane.

You are eating fruit of the poisonous tree. He wasn't being disruptive. He was a normal, paying customer that didn't do anything wrong.

 

If you want to use the football analogy what legal authority does football stadium management have to remove a paying customer that hasn't done anything wrong?

You're acting like being a paying customer means the business forfeits all of their rights on their property. As long as the business isn't breaking laws by asking you to leave, you being a paying customer has nothing to do with it. You may not like it and you can give them a bad Yelp review if it makes you feel better. But the fact is it's their plane/stadium/restaurant/whatever, and if you are asked to leave and don't it won't end well for you.

You're trying to limit it to a certain set of criteria. If I'm at a game and being disruptive they can and will probably ask me to leave. Because that is part of what I agree to when I purchase the ticket. What happens if I feel like I'm not being disruptive and they shouldn't be able to remove me. I refuse, they have a cop come over to remove me. I still refuse, a second cop asks, I refuse again. What would happen?

 

So you're sitting at a Cardinals baseball game and enjoying a popcorn and stadium security walks up to you and tells you that you need to leave. Upon questioning them, you find out they need your seat (which was randomly selected) for a Cardinals employee so they can watch the game. You'd really just get up and leave without complaint?

Why don't you clear it up for me?

 

I've already done that.

Now who is glossing over what?

 

Maybe he eventually acted weird once he was a bloody mess but it is United that came to him with an Ultimatum and we all know that Ultimatum is leave the plane or we will use whatever forced needed to remove you from the plane.

What did I gloss over? They asked him to leave, he didn't. They called security, and well you read the transcript of what happened then. The fact is they had the right to ask him to get off the plane, he didn't, at that point it's on him.

Isn't this the whole free market-businesses should be allowed to discriminate argument?

 

United had the right to boot the guy and we have the right to think it was unreasonable and excessive from a basic human decency perspective?

You're acting like being a paying customer means the business forfeits all of their rights on their property. As long as the business isn't breaking laws by asking you to leave, you being a paying customer has nothing to do with it. You may not like it and you can give them a bad Yelp review if it makes you feel better. But the fact is it's their plane/stadium/restaurant/whatever, and if you are asked to leave and don't it won't end well for you.

 

Just what I thought, you are unable to come up with an actual, reasonable, example with your football stadium management thingy.

I've already done that.

 

No you haven't.

So you're sitting at a Cardinals baseball game and enjoying a popcorn and stadium security walks up to you and tells you that you need to leave. Upon questioning them, you find out they need your seat (which was randomly selected) for a Cardinals employee so they can watch the game. You'd really just get up and leave without complaint?

Hell no. I'd complain all the way to the exit. But in the end what choice do you really have? If they are within their legal right to do so, refusing to get up while holding my breath until I turned red is going accomplish me getting dragged out by the police.

Hell no. I'd complain all the way to the exit. But in the end what choice do you really have? If they are within their legal right to do so, refusing to get up while holding my breath until I turned red is going accomplish me getting dragged out by the police.

 

So what you're saying (and I'm inferring this from your response) is that United was within their legal rights to do what they did, but it wasn't the right thing to do?

Just what I thought, you are unable to come up with an actual, reasonable, example with your football stadium management thingy.

OK, fine...the usher asks to see my ticket. I lost it after getting it so they throw me out. I did nothing wrong.

No you haven't.

 

Simple question. When you buy an airplane ticket do you give the airline permission to take that seat?

 

Before you answer incorrectly you might wanna read here. Or here. Or here.

So what you're saying (and I'm inferring this from your response) is that United was within their legal rights to do what they did, but it wasn't the right thing to do?

I never said differently and have said as much in multiple posts. I said they handled this as badly as you could imagine.

OK, fine...the usher asks to see my ticket. I lost it after getting it so they throw me out. I did nothing wrong.

 

Now you are implying theft.

Now you are implying theft.

No, they are implying theft. I've done nothing wrong yet they remove me. I'm a paying customer after all.