This is not basketball, but you are right the system seems more like a basketball tournament then a high school football playoffs. The season is where the distict title is won in most if not all high school football system around the country, not in the playoffs. Change is not aways good ether, why try to fix something that is not broke. The system was pretty good not prefect but good. But time will only tell.:flame:

True. time is an awfully good teacher. Thank heavens they can look at it again in two years and fix it (if need be).

Most of all, I dislike losing the regional championship game.

 

How does it lower costs to have the District 8 champ traveling to face the District 4 champ in the third round?

How have you lost the regional championship game?

How have you lost the regional championship game?

 

 

What happens if Pikeville wins District 8 and loses to the District 4 champion and Harlan wins District 7 and loses to the District 5 champion? Who is the Region 4 champ?

 

What happens if both Pikeville and Harlan win in the third round? Both are regional champions, but which region?

 

I like having defined regions.

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I like having defined regions.

 

I think they should just outright eliminate regions. Have eight districts split into two sections, East and West. This would guarantee that the state championship game would pit a "west" team against an "east" team. Let District 1-4 play in the Western Section and 5-8 play in the Eastern Section. Then set up the postseason just like sectional tournaments in baseball.

 

Each class, 1A through 6A should all be the same. For example:

 

Season One

District 2 @ District 1

District 4 @ District 3

District 6 @ District 5

District 8 @ District 7

 

Season Two

1@4, 3@2, 5@8, 7@6

 

Season Three

3@1, 2@4, 7@5, 6@8

 

Season Four

1@2, 3@4, 5@6, 7@8

 

Season Five

4@1, 2@3, 8@5, 6@7

 

Season Six

1@3, 4@2, 5@7, 8@6

IMO the mix-up could happen at the semi-state level without to many people getting their feathers ruffled. Heck, I would be in favor of neutral sites at that point, but what has happened will make KY Football lose some of the gains we have made in the past few years IMO.

 

To the people that disagree the regular season should count for more than a seed! Gees, even the NFL and the NCAA 1-AA and below crown champions before the playoffs.....We've missed the boat or better yet the vote here with the KHSAA.

As for the semifinal games, I haven't thought that far ahead to plan who hosts and who doesn't! Maybe neutral sites determined by mutual agreement from each of the schools?

What happens if Pikeville wins District 8 and loses to the District 4 champion and Harlan wins District 7 and loses to the District 5 champion? Who is the Region 4 champ?

 

What happens if both Pikeville and Harlan win in the third round? Both are regional champions, but which region?

 

I like having defined regions.

There are defined regions. They just aren't composed of the same two districts each year. Just like the semi-state baseball from what I can read. This year for example in class A, Region 1 is districts 1 and 2. Region 3 is districts 3 and 4, etc. That rotates each year so that there are always regions, but they don't always encompass the same teams. Maybe that's the problem in your eyes? Are you saying that the same districts should always compose the same regions and that's your issue?

Personally I think people are over reacting to this. To be the best you have to beat the best. If that means beating some one in your district back to back, so be it. Eventually the best teams move on to play one another and the best team wins state. True in the past and will be true this year. I do think that the first round games in the past have been in most cases, a joke. Some of the second round games have also. With very poor gates and lots of travel involved in a majority of the games. A benefit of the revised format is that even if the gates remain poor (and I think the gates will be better in at least the second round when the 1 vs 2 district teams will be playing in most games and the chance to avenge the regular season loss will motivate the 2 ranked team and attract a lot of fans) travel costs will have been cut dramatically in the early rounds. Later rounds may require more travel, but there are fewer teams left playing at that point, which means, in aggregate, less travel time and costs. Whether we lose to CovCath in the second or third round is irrelevant to me. Its the fact that we will have lost to them and not won state is all that matters (although I don't for a moment expect to lose to CovCath this year, not in the regular season or the playoffs:banana:).

I don't really like it! I thing as a team you gain something by stepping out of your district and competing with the teams from across the region. I understand and do agree that for the most part it does reduce the travel time for games, but it takes away from great rivalry games like Bell/L.C. and Rockcastle/Ashland. Those used to be wars!

 

Plus, it is very difficult to beat a good team twice in the same season. Whoever wins, lets say, an Ashland/JC regular season game, I think has a disadvantage when and if they meet again in the playoffs for what will amount to a District Championship.

Someone who is a Lex Cath supporter could enjoy this more, as far as seeing the road get a bit easier(no disrespect to Franklin Co, but LC has never lost a game in the district). LC will not have to face the two headed monster in back to back weeks from NKY. The team that did it last year can really see it as a great acomplishment. However, it won't matter next year with the revised class system.

 

Cov Cath and Highlands fans don't be disappointed. A home and home series is in the works between LC and the two of you for the next couple of years, and hopefully to be extended and continue to develop a rivalry in the future.

There are defined regions. They just aren't composed of the same two districts each year. Just like the semi-state baseball from what I can read. This year for example in class A, Region 1 is districts 1 and 2. Region 3 is districts 3 and 4, etc. That rotates each year so that there are always regions, but they don't always encompass the same teams. Maybe that's the problem in your eyes? Are you saying that the same districts should always compose the same regions and that's your issue?

 

 

Yes. Districts and regions are geographic terms. They should be based, at least loosely, on geography, not on the luck of the draw.

 

Part of the problem is it hasn't been explained very well.

 

But I also don't like the fact that you could win a Region 3 title one year and a Region 1 title the next. It would be like winning the SEC title one year and the ACC the next.

 

The basketball people wouldn't put up with it if you had a case where you win Region 11 in 2005, Region 12 in 2006 and Region 10 in 2007. That's a major mess waiting to happen.

 

How are you going to keep records for this, such as a list of Region 4, Class A football champs?

I don't really like it! I thing as a team you gain something by stepping out of your district and competing with the teams from across the region. I understand and do agree that for the most part it does reduce the travel time for games, but it takes away from great rivalry games like Bell/L.C. and Rockcastle/Ashland. Those used to be wars!

 

Plus, it is very difficult to beat a good team twice in the same season. Whoever wins, lets say, an Ashland/JC regular season game, I think has a disadvantage when and if they meet again in the playoffs for what will amount to a District Championship.

 

If they are great rivalries, then schedule them during the regular season. With smaller districts, there should be more open dates. Pick one of them up. Shouldn't be that hard to schedule if both teams thought it was a great rivalry. Of course that could result in playing that team twice if you meet them in the playoffs but who cares. Boyle scheduled us during the regular season for two years. In both years, we then met them in the championship game. One year they beat us twice. In the other year, we beat them twice. So while it may be hard to beat a good team twice, it obviously can be done. We have in more years than not, over the last 15 years, played CovCath twice. Some years we've beaten them twice, some years we have not. If we can't beat them twice, we don't deserve being called Champions is how I look at it. Not trying to be argumentative, but if the loss of a rivalry and the toughness of beating a good team twice is the only justification for not changing, I think the benefit outweighs the detriment.

Yes. Districts and regions are geographic terms. They should be based, at least loosely, on geography, not on the luck of the draw.

 

Part of the problem is it hasn't been explained very well.

 

But I also don't like the fact that you could win a Region 3 title one year and a Region 1 title the next. It would be like winning the SEC title one year and the ACC the next.

 

The basketball people wouldn't put up with it if you had a case where you win Region 11 in 2005, Region 12 in 2006 and Region 10 in 2007. That's a major mess waiting to happen.

 

How are you going to keep records for this, such as a list of Region 4, Class A football champs?

WHile I see your point, we probably just won't agree. I follow high schools sports pretty closely as you do. The baseball folks don't seem to care what semi-state they win, as long as they win. The object is the fifth week in football, that's the primary goal. Whatever you get along the way is just gravy, in one person's opinion. So no matter when you play these other teams, you are going to have to play them and beat them to get to Papa Johns. I still believe part of the problem is that the schools wanted and embraced change but they maybe didn't tell the general public about it. As I look at what was done, its basically a two year experiment that may be further refined as time goes on.

WHile I see your point, we probably just won't agree. I follow high schools sports pretty closely as you do. The baseball folks don't seem to care what semi-state they win, as long as they win. The object is the fifth week in football, that's the primary goal. Whatever you get along the way is just gravy, in one person's opinion. So no matter when you play these other teams, you are going to have to play them and beat them to get to Papa Johns. I still believe part of the problem is that the schools wanted and embraced change but they maybe didn't tell the general public about it. As I look at what was done, its basically a two year experiment that may be further refined as time goes on.

 

 

I agree that the general public wasn't well informed on this, and I also agree that the ultimate objective is a state title.

 

The baseball people still have defined regional championships, and I think football should too. I think it takes away some of the history and tradition if your region changes each and every season. There should be some order to help the fans follow the sports. Everyone can't be a state champ, and the regional title does mean something.