I think Ken made his moves very early in the game when he was on the bottom in his tribe and formed an alliance. Furthermore, sticking with your alliance in voting is a tough decision too, maybe tougher than flipping constantly. It is strategic to stick with your alliance and be low key. Just because you are changing your votes around doesn't mean it is a more strategic move than choosing to stick with an alliance that is working.

Ken didn't make his moves early on. They were given to him. David and Jess were also on the bottom of Gen X all they did was realize they were on the bottom together. If the tribe switch hadn't of happened Ken, Jess, and David would have been voted out.

He was right though. It was so boneheaded to keep David in the game. I would have been frustrated too.

 

It was a terrible move by Ken to vote Bret out because he should have voted David out, but it was a completely terrible move by Ken to vote David out next. Doesn't that seem hypocritical to anyone else?

 

Ken had no chance at that final tribal because he isn't capable of shaping his case verbally.

It was a terrible move by Ken to vote Bret out because he should have voted David out, but it was a completely terrible move by Ken to vote David out next. Doesn't that seem hypocritical to anyone else?

 

Ken had no chance at that final tribal because he isn't capable of shaping his case verbally.

 

Who has said that?

 

Ken didn't have a chance to win because he didn't start playing the game until he voted out David on the last day. He couldn't verbalize his case because he didn't have one.

Yeah Hannah absolutely proved during the final tribal that she had no business even being in the discussion. She had these grand illusions that she was some sort of mastermind that was making decisions on who went home, when in reality she was just taking marching orders from (first) Zeke and then David. I was glad the jury saw through her ridiculousness.

 

One of the most accurate posts in all 300 in this thread.

Who said that? Voting David out was the first game move Ken actually made. I liked Ken the best once Zeke was gone. I would've liked to see him win. He didn't play as well as Adam though.

 

Agreed. Hence why Brett asked him when he thought he started playing this game. Everyone on the jury didn't think he started until the night before when he voted out David.

 

Ken was a goat, as they kept referring people and just rode David's coat tails. Which is also why David would have smoked him in final tribal if David and Adam switched.

What exactly did Adam do that was good game play?

No one thought Ken was a threat, which is also why he received 0 votes in the end.

 

Hannah thought she was this great player, but as UKMF mentioned, she was nothing but a pawn for Zeke and David, which is also why there wasn't any attention on her and why she was able to advanced.

 

I don't think anyone here thought that Adam was a great player. He was just the best of the pretty weak three that we were left with.

No one thought Ken was a threat, which is also why he received 0 votes in the end.

 

Hannah thought she was this great player, but as UKMF mentioned, she was nothing but a pawn for Zeke and David, which is also why there wasn't any attention on her and why she was able to advanced.

 

I don't think anyone here thought that Adam was a great player. He was just the best of the pretty weak three that we were left with.

 

How? How was he the best? What did he do better than Ken OR Hannah?

What exactly did Adam do that was good game play?

 

Was the first to flip on Millennials and if I remember right, that took out Figgy and changed the whole game early on.

 

He used the "steal advatange" in a smart way by the way he didn't use it.

 

I don't think he are saying he's some great player. Just saying, that is how bad Hannah and Ken were that he was an easy choice of the three.

Was the first to flip on Millennials and if I remember right, that took out Figgy and changed the whole game early on.

 

He used the "steal advatange" in a smart way by the way he didn't use it.

 

I don't think he are saying he's some great player. Just saying, that is how bad Hannah and Ken were that he was an easy choice of the three.

 

Ken was a challenge beast. Built a good alliance and stuck with it.

Hannah played in the middle and seemed to be on the right side of most votes. She also used the information she got extremely well. The Brett vote for instance. Which is another case of very poor game play by Adam.

 

I think either are better than Adam.

Ken was a challenge beast. Built a good alliance and stuck with it.

Hannah played in the middle and seemed to be on the right side of most votes. She also used the information she got extremely well. The Brett vote for instance. Which is another case of very poor game play by Adam.

 

I think either are better than Adam.

 

I guess we'll agree to disagree. I am with Adam that voting out Bret was dumb and they should have taken out David at the opportunity.

 

The fact that Ken was such a challenge beast and no one was worried about sitting next to him in the end, should tell you what everyone thought about Ken's game play. He was no threat to them whatsoever in Final Tribal because they were convinced he didn't play much of a "game" at all.

 

Sometimes the jury is vindictive, this one wasn't. That hurt Ken's chances even more.

 

Hannah thought she had a lot more control than she had. She was Zeke and David's pawn the majority of the game.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. I am with Adam that voting out Bret was dumb and they should have taken out David at the opportunity.

 

The fact that Ken was such a challenge beast and no one was worried about sitting next to him in the end, should tell you what everyone thought about Ken's game play. He was no threat to them whatsoever in Final Tribal because they were convinced he didn't play much of a "game" at all.

 

Sometimes the jury is vindictive, this one wasn't. That hurt Ken's chances even more.

 

Hannah thought she had a lot more control than she had. She was Zeke and David's pawn the majority of the game.

 

Adam did the following:

 

He voted on the wrong side of the first vote for his tribe and alienated a good portion of his tribe. If it weren't for the tribal swap he was probably going to be gone the next time the millennials went to tribal.

 

He poorly misplayed both idols he had.

 

He confided in the wrong person - Taylor - and had it blow up in his face badly.

 

Outside of the Figgy vote when did anyone really follow his ideas?

 

He AGAIN confided in the wrong person by telling Hannah about his idol.

Questions for everyone to help me out. What move did Adam make in the game that was a good strategic move that worked out as he planned? How many moves did Adam make that were bad moves? how many times did he work hard to influence a vote and it went in his favor vs votes went in a completely different direction from what he was pushing for?

 

I thought overall Adam played a fairly stupid game. He could never keep his mouth shut and as you said he was on the wrong side of a lot of votes including the one where he played his last idol. I really believe that Ken did himself irreparable damage when Will approached him about an alliance and he immediately went to Jay and told him what Will had said. It seemed at that time that he wad only interested in working with David and would hear nothing else. He basically alienated both sides when he did that. In the end he couldn't even get David's vote and David had been his closest ally.

 

All that said I think Adam wins against any of the final 6 but Jay and David.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. I am with Adam that voting out Bret was dumb and they should have taken out David at the opportunity.

 

The fact that Ken was such a challenge beast and no one was worried about sitting next to him in the end, should tell you what everyone thought about Ken's game play. He was no threat to them whatsoever in Final Tribal because they were convinced he didn't play much of a "game" at all.

 

Sometimes the jury is vindictive, this one wasn't. That hurt Ken's chances even more.

 

Hannah thought she had a lot more control than she had. She was Zeke and David's pawn the majority of the game.

 

I think the jury was bitter to a degree but the bitterness was aimed at Hannah for the most part and Ken to an extent. Ken's social game was terrible. At least the edit that he got showed that he wasn't even willing to listen to anyone but David.

It was a terrible move by Ken to vote Bret out because he should have voted David out, but it was a completely terrible move by Ken to vote David out next. Doesn't that seem hypocritical to anyone else?

 

Ken had no chance at that final tribal because he isn't capable of shaping his case verbally.

Bret wasn't mad at Ken, he was mad at Hannah.