Can you site one case where this has happened?

 

The "sky is falling" and "what if" gets tiring sometimes.

 

No I can't, because guns aren't in classrooms currently.

 

I am not against having guns in schools for Administrators, but I am on the fence about it. Introducing guns where they aren't necessarily needed is a move that deserves much consideration and debate, IMO.

No I can't, because guns aren't in classrooms currently.

 

I am not against having guns in schools for Administrators, but I am on the fence about it. Introducing guns where they aren't necessarily needed is a move that deserves much consideration and debate, IMO.

 

Sounds like you agree with Trump. Well, at least one of his statements on the issue.

No I can't, because guns aren't in classrooms currently.

 

I am not against having guns in schools for Administrators, but I am on the fence about it. Introducing guns where they aren't necessarily needed is a move that deserves much consideration and debate, IMO.

 

What makes you sure they aren't necessarily needed in schools? It's clear, at least to me, that signs wont stop a person from entering a school with a gun? What is the next step?

Can you site one case where this has happened?

 

The "sky is falling" and "what if" gets tiring sometimes.

 

It does. But it's what both sides regularly go to when trying to minimalize or refute the other side of the argument. We like to run right to the rare, "worst thing that could happen" scenario.

Obviously there are worst case scenario possibilities. In my mind the best case scenario probabilities outweigh the worst case ones by quite a bit, hence I would be for investigating ways to make it happen.

What makes you sure they aren't necessarily needed in schools? It's clear, at least to me, that signs wont stop a person from entering a school with a gun? What is the next step?

 

And availability of guns and limited training on how to use guns won't insure that guns will be used effectively, safely or properly. I'm just not sure I want all or even most of our teachers needing to deal with the "should I get the gun for this situation" question. It's an easy decline in the rare, crazy guy with a gun situation. But that gun being there would require that "gun needed" or "not needed" decision to made much more often.

And availability of guns and limited training on how to use guns won't insure that guns will be used effectively, safely or properly. I'm just not sure I want all or even most of our teachers needing to deal with the "should I get the gun for this situation" question. It's an easy decline in the rare, crazy guy with a gun situation. But that gun being there would require that "gun needed" or "not needed" decision to made much more often.

 

I think it's pretty cut-and-dry, the gun only comes out during an active shooter situation. No if and or butts. Like I said before if the safe is open more than one person would be notified that the gun is in play. Taking it out for any reason besides an active shooter situation would constitute gross negligence and terminable offense including jail time. I equate this to the AED devices that are now installed in all schools. You'll probably never need it, you hope you don't need it, but you better be glad it's there when you do.

I think it's pretty cut-and-dry, the gun only comes out during an active shooter situation. No if and or butts. Like I said before if the safe is open more than one person would be notified that the gun is in play. Taking it out for any reason besides an active shooter situation would constitute gross negligence and terminable offense including jail time. I equate this to the AED devices that are now installed in all schools. You'll probably never need it, you hope you don't need it, but you better be glad it's there when you do.

 

In theory, it may be cut and dry. I don't think realistically, it is so cut and dry. What about the knife wielding lunatic?? What if a student is threatening a teacher physically?? How do you insure it's only used during an active shooter situation?? How do teachers train and become comfortable and skilled enough with the weapon to be able to use it if needed, if it's locked up all the time?? Lots of questions with no easy answers, and lives at stake on a daily basis with the addition of guns to school campuses. I'm not saying I'd never support it, but it's going to take a lot of convincing for me to feel comfortable with it.

 

I don't think comparing a gun to an AED unit is even close to an equal comparison. An AED used incorrectly or at the wrong time, isn't a danger to everyone in the building.

What about the knife wielding lunatic?? What if a student is threatening a teacher physically?? How doe you insure it's only used during an active shooter situation?? How do teachers train and become comfortable and skilled enough with the weapon to be able to use it if needed, if it's locked up all the time??

 

I don't think comparing a gun to an AED unit is even close to an equal comparison. An AED used incorrectly or at the wrong time, isn't a danger to everyone in the building.

 

The aed is a life-saving device just like the weapon would be in a life-saving situation. We can't be so afraid of guns that were afraid of the good guys with guns but allow the bad guys to have guns. It may be a scary situation but the scarier of the scenarios are an active shooter running around and no one to confront him with anything but a chair or desk or a ruler. There have been numerous studies shown that when an active shooter is confronted by people on scene with a weapon lives are saved. The active shooter will usually shoot 8 to 14 people before law enforcement arrives. I believe the numbers were as low as 3 to 4 before someone on site with a weapon could react. Although they're still loss of life there is a chance to save lives. Like I said we shouldn't be so concerned with law-abiding citizens arming their selves, we should be concerned with the bad guys that don't care about laws that will do bad things with the weapons and we not being able to defend ourselves or our children. It's not a perfect world but to do nothing and slightly irresponsible. Anterior appoint a crazy running around with a knife is not an active shooter in know the guns are allowed to be pulled out of the safe. You don't need to bring a gun to a knife fight you can hit him with a chair from behind spraying with a water hose whatever it is you need to do. The only time that gun would ever have to come out of the safe is to confront somebody else with a gun. We can keep going over the what-ifs like maybe I shouldn't go to work today because I might get into a wreck, maybe I shouldn't leave the house because it might rain, I could slip and fall and die, there's a million things we can say what if. The only thing we should be concerned about is what if somebody comes into the school with a gun and nobody else there has one.

How are we going to pay for this?

How are we going to pay for this?

 

Obviously a major obstacle. We're at the theoretical stage right now but if ever implemented my guess it would be a combination of increased taxes, cuts elsewhere and school fees.

Obviously a major obstacle. We're at the theoretical stage right now but if ever implemented my guess it would be a combination of increased taxes, cuts elsewhere and school fees.

 

That's what I was afraid of. No thanks.

The aed is a life-saving device just like the weapon would be in a life-saving situation. We can't be so afraid of guns that were afraid of the good guys with guns but allow the bad guys to have guns. It may be a scary situation but the scarier of the scenarios are an active shooter running around and no one to confront him with anything but a chair or desk or a ruler. There have been numerous studies shown that when an active shooter is confronted by people on scene with a weapon lives are saved. The active shooter will usually shoot 8 to 14 people before law enforcement arrives. I believe the numbers were as low as 3 to 4 before someone on site with a weapon could react. Although they're still loss of life there is a chance to save lives. Like I said we shouldn't be so concerned with law-abiding citizens arming their selves, we should be concerned with the bad guys that don't care about laws that will do bad things with the weapons and we not being able to defend ourselves or our children. It's not a perfect world but to do nothing and slightly irresponsible. Anterior appoint a crazy running around with a knife is not an active shooter in know the guns are allowed to be pulled out of the safe. You don't need to bring a gun to a knife fight you can hit him with a chair from behind spraying with a water hose whatever it is you need to do. The only time that gun would ever have to come out of the safe is to confront somebody else with a gun. We can keep going over the what-ifs like maybe I shouldn't go to work today because I might get into a wreck, maybe I shouldn't leave the house because it might rain, I could slip and fall and die, there's a million things we can say what if. The only thing we should be concerned about is what if somebody comes into the school with a gun and nobody else there has one.

 

I know all the stats, and believe me I'm not afraid of guns, and I'm not against guns. But I'm not convinced that the presence of guns in our schools makes anyone safer. Especially in the hands of an average, un trained teacher who's not familiar and training regularly with the weapon in a super stressful situation. I just don't know the benefits of having the weapon outweigh the possible problems OF having it available.

 

Again, I'm not saying I can't be convinced or saying there should never be guns in schools for emergencies.

That's what I was afraid of. No thanks.

 

The counter has always been, what's saving lives worth?

I know all the stats, and believe me I'm not afraid of guns, and I'm not against guns. But I'm not convinced that the presence of guns in our schools makes anyone safer. Especially in the hands of an average, un trained teacher who's not familiar and training regularly with the weapon in a super stressful situation. I just don't know the benefits of having the weapon outweigh the possible problems OF having it available.

 

Again, I'm not saying I can't be convinced or saying there should never be guns in schools for emergencies.

 

Well they're making teachers get their masters now and they've upped the degrees that they need to have just to be able to teach so I guess we can add gun safety and concealed carry to one of those things that they have to have. Looks like their job will evolve just like Society is. It boils down to the same thing my boss tells me, don't like it here McDonald's is hiring . Until Hillary can find a way to go door-to-door and take all the guns away from all the bad guys she can't take the guns out of the law-abiding citizens that need to protect ourselves. Under the right circumstances and set up the right way he can be a safe program. Is it easy? No. Will people complain? Yes. Is it in the best interest of our children and something that should be looked into very seriously? Yes. Just as I am for airline pilot being armed. Think of how many lives could have been saved had they not been overtaken by guys with box cutters. If they had Superior weaponry that situation could have been avoided. Again how many lives could have been saved not only in the towers comma on the plains, all the lives that were lost in the war. We need to be diligent against those who will do evil and not be afraid to act or to take the steps to protect ourselves.