Can a school kick a student out of school for words used if they are not illegal? (Yes, I know the Freedom of Speech contained in Amendment 1 is in regards to the govt.)

 

My memory says they can and it seems like the OU frat bus incident got a kid kicked out.

 

At what point does a person cross the legal line?

Liberal colleges have their own rules on case by case basis. If it dont fit their agenda then kid is kicked out or prosecuted for hate crime or being racist.

Liberal colleges have their own rules on case by case basis. If it dont fit their agenda then kid is kicked out or prosecuted for hate crime or being racist.

 

I'm asking what the courts have said.

I'm asking what the courts have said.

 

The 1st Amendment extends protection against Government censorship to Public Universities as well, albeit with caveats.

 

What forum is the speech being communicated in?

 

Some people are going to have a heart attack on here, but here is an article on ACLU's website. https://www.aclu.org/hate-speech-campus

Don't know which court rulings govern it, but I think something that elevates the discretion of universities above that of another governmental entity is that students first voluntarily select and apply to universities which can refuse them and second that part of their admission is based on their willingness to abide by a code of conduct. I don't think there's a black or white answer, but I think universities are allowed to enforce their codes of conduct as long as they do so in a non-biased manner, which is also why universities of "judicial affairs" offices that basically conduct trials for students accused of violations.

 

Here's an exceprt from NKU's code:

 

Offenses against persons include but are not limited to:

 

a. Intentionally or recklessly causing physical or emotional harm to any person, including self, on University property or at University-sponsored activities off campus, and includes intentionally or recklessly causing reasonable apprehension of such harm.

 

b. Harassing another person, attempting or threatening to subject another person to violent physical contact, or engaging in a course of conduct or repeatedly committing acts that threaten, or create reasonable apprehension for another person.

 

Perhaps what speech would constitute "harassing" or inflicting "emotional harm" are the gray areas. In short, I don't believe universities can kick someone out for expressing an opinion, but can only do so if their expression of that opinion is deemed harassing or threatening, which, again, are subjective terms that open up a lot of discretion.

I think every situation and context is different, so there is no black and white answer. I'm also not exactly sure what topic you are talking about that concerns Freedom of Speech (racism, equality, and homophobia are the most controverial/first that come to mind).

 

To be honest most of the time social issues (if that is what we are talking about...) are generally not spoken about too much by students, and when they are I'm always sure to never get involved because I know I have the unpopular (conservative leaning) opinon, and most college students are relatively closed-minded on politics.

 

There are definietly some professors though who always take a shot at Donald Trump when they can somehow fit it in their lecture.

The best question is why do college students feel they have the right not to be offended today? There is no such right. College campuses are babying these kids.

 

Free speech means I should have the right to speak my mind whether it offends you or not. We can't just pick and choose what is offensive.

 

Burning the flag offends me personally but I would fight for someone's right to do it.

 

I do not feel comfortable with college campuses promoting an atmosphere that censors speech.

 

A college campus is different from the bottom line of a private corporations. They at one time were where free thoughts and speech were encouraged. They are now turning into the most censored areas in our country.

The best question is why do college students feel they have the right not to be offended today? There is no such right. College campuses are babying these kids.

 

Free speech means I should have the right to speak my mind whether it offends you or not. We can't just pick and choose what is offensive.

 

Burning the flag offends me personally but I would fight for someone's right to do it.

 

I do not feel comfortable with college campuses promoting an atmosphere that censors speech.

 

A college campus is different from the bottom line of a private corporations. They at one time were where free thoughts and speech were encouraged. They are now turning into the most censored areas in our country.

 

Perfectly said!! Colleges have created a generation of whiny babies who are looking for things to offend them. The colleges are reaping what they have sewn. The problem is it is doing a disservice to the students because it is not preparing them for when they get out...

Perfectly said!! Colleges have created a generation of whiny babies who are looking for things to offend them. The colleges are reaping what they have sewn. The problem is it is doing a disservice to the students because it is not preparing them for when they get out...

 

I think that they are whiny babies before they ever go to college. They are the product of their parents.

The best question is why do college students feel they have the right not to be offended today? There is no such right. College campuses are babying these kids.

 

Free speech means I should have the right to speak my mind whether it offends you or not. We can't just pick and choose what is offensive.

 

Burning the flag offends me personally but I would fight for someone's right to do it.

 

I do not feel comfortable with college campuses promoting an atmosphere that censors speech.

 

A college campus is different from the bottom line of a private corporations. They at one time were where free thoughts and speech were encouraged. They are now turning into the most censored areas in our country.

I'm glad you enjoyed Fox News' analysis tonight of the controversies at Mizzou-Yale. You pretty much aped the main points made by Will and Krauthammer. Regardless, it's good to see that the BGP right-wing media bashers are now sticking up for freedom of the press after months of blaming "the media" for all that's wrong with America.

I'm glad you enjoyed Fox News' analysis tonight of the controversies at Mizzou-Yale. You pretty much aped the main points made by Will and Krauthammer. Regardless, it's good to see that the BGP right-wing media bashers are now sticking up for freedom of the press after months of blaming "the media" for all that's wrong with America.

Leftist want to silence opposing views, and are too concerned with "class justice" over individual liberty and freedom. "Group think" will destroy this country from within.

Leftist want to silence opposing views, and are too concerned with "class justice" over individual liberty and freedom. "Group think" will destroy this country from within.

Every political group in the country wants to control "the message." It's not a left vs. right issue. The communications (not journalism) instructor at MU who tried to bar the young reporter from interviewing people needs to find a different line of work.

Every political group in the country wants to control "the message." It's not a left vs. right issue. The communications (not journalism) instructor at MU who tried to bar the young reporter from interviewing people needs to find a different line of work.

Controlling the message is a bit different than polarizing and shaming the "opposition", which is part of the Alinsky playbook. Agreed on the communications instructor, but unfortunately there are many more like her on campus.

Edited November 11, 201510 yr by FarBeyondDriven

I'm glad you enjoyed Fox News' analysis tonight of the controversies at Mizzou-Yale. You pretty much aped the main points made by Will and Krauthammer. Regardless, it's good to see that the BGP right-wing media bashers are now sticking up for freedom of the press after months of blaming "the media" for all that's wrong with America.

 

What did I say that was wrong ?