14 is barely. You outscore a team by one touchdown each quarter and you win by 24-32. Decrease that to just outscoring your opponent by one TD per half and it's 6-16.

 

14 with 8 seconds left, and letting them score, is barely. I've seen teams score twice in the final minute and get the 2-point conversion both times (which would have given Ryle a win outright, let alone overtime).

 

Computer ratings don't care how much you LED by, only the FINAL score/difference (or else Georgia wouldn't be hurt that much for losing to Tennessee).

 

And like Jason Frakes said, head-to-head means little when it comes to rankings.

 

- Paducah Tilghman is NOT ahead of McCracken in any computer ranking (although PT beat MC)

- Central is not ahead of St. X (Central not in top 10 in any computer ranking, X in top 10 in all of them)

- Knox Central is NOT ahead of Louisville Central (although Knox beat Central)

 

In theory, the head-to-head game works (except when losses happen to lower-ranked teams).

 

In the Ryle-Cooper case, there are other factors at play (One team scoring more against common opponents, one team faring better in losses, the head-to-head loss coming on the road instead of at home, one team playing winless teams earlier, etc.).

 

All that could mean is that one team left their starters in longer than the other. For instance, if you look at the Simon Kenton vs Boone County game, you would think there is a problem with the Pioneers because they only scored 37 points against a win less Rebel team. They did not leave their starters in to run up the score against an outmatched football team. They pulled all of their starters by the end of the 1st quarter. By your stated logic,, they should be looked at as a lesser team because they did not hang 50+ points on them like Ryle did.

All that could mean is that one team left their starters in longer than the other. For instance, if you look at the Simon Kenton vs Boone County game, you would think there is a problem with the Pioneers because they only scored 37 points against a win less Rebel team. They did not leave their starters in to run up the score against an outmatched football team. They pulled all of their starters by the end of the 1st quarter. By your stated logic,, they should be looked at as a lesser team because they did not hang 50+ points on them like Ryle did.

 

To a computer, YES, that's exactly what it means.

 

If Team A is better than Team B, than Team A should be beat teams worse -- and score more -- against the same teams Team B played.

 

I do NOT fault coaches for pulling starters, playing JV more, stop blitzing and stop doing trick plays or throwing deep. That being said, if that costs you a few points one way or another, the computer's going to notice.

 

Like Jason said earlier: Louisville Central beat X heads up. Where should Central be ranked and where should X be ranked?

 

(Plus, Knox Central beat Louisville Central. Is Knox Central a top-25, top-15 team now SOLELY because of that one win ... and no other factors/stats/numbers taken into account)?

14 is barely. You outscore a team by one touchdown each quarter and you win by 24-32. Decrease that to just outscoring your opponent by one TD per half and it's 6-16.

 

14 with 8 seconds left, and letting them score, is barely. I've seen teams score twice in the final minute and get the 2-point conversion both times (which would have given Ryle a win outright, let alone overtime).

 

Computer ratings don't care how much you LED by, only the FINAL score/difference (or else Georgia wouldn't be hurt that much for losing to Tennessee).

 

And like Jason Frakes said, head-to-head means little when it comes to rankings.

 

- Paducah Tilghman is NOT ahead of McCracken in any computer ranking (although PT beat MC)

- Central is not ahead of St. X (Central not in top 10 in any computer ranking, X in top 10 in all of them)

- Knox Central is NOT ahead of Louisville Central (although Knox beat Central)

 

In theory, the head-to-head game works (except when losses happen to lower-ranked teams).

 

In the Ryle-Cooper case, there are other factors at play (One team scoring more against common opponents, one team faring better in losses, the head-to-head loss coming on the road instead of at home, one team playing winless teams earlier, etc.).

 

I've got to disagree with you there. Unless there is some definite reason to discount the loss (significant injury, bad weather, questionable game deciding ref call, or time to improve [game occurred at least three weeks ago]) then a higher ranked team does not deserve to remain higher ranked.

 

In the week after McCracken lost I considered PT the better team. However, teams change and McCracken improved, earning their current spot.

 

You mentioned Ryle outscoring Cooper. However, in their two strongest common opponents (Lex Cath and Highlands) the points differential is either the same (24 against Highlands) or in Cooper's favor (28 Cooper, 3 Ryle). Also Cooper has a stronger schedule, whether you are only counting finished games or considering the entire season. Ryle has the potential to win a re-match, but until they do, Cooper deserves the higher rank.

psychic,

 

You think Louisville Central deserves to be ranked higher than X?

 

Knox Central higher than Louisville Central?

 

If that's the case, Knox Central should be ahead of Louisville Central (because Knox beat Louisville) and Central should be ahead of X (because Central beat X).

 

Because you are looking at entire state -- with plenty more results, scores at play -- you CANNOT say in a list of 200 teams or so, "A must be ahead of B" because "A beat B" while COMPLETELY IGNORING everything else at hand.

 

I don't care if Ryle wins the rematch (if there is one) or if Cooper has a long postseason run. I'll sleep fine either way.

 

But computer goes on way more than just solely head to head.

14 is barely.

Wrong again. Beating a t4eam by 1 on a last second score is barely. Not being up by 2 TD's with 8 seconds to go.

 

You can't truly use head to head score differences as a total be all in comparisons to teams. If you want to go that route then how about the fact that Ryle only won by 1 score vs common opponent Lex Cath yet Cooper won by 4 TD's. Or the fact that Ryle gave up 30+ against Lex Cath while Cooper gave up 0 against the same team. You also can't tell by just score alone because you seem to forget about when Cooper started playing 2nd and 3rd stringers in the game. Did you want them to keep their starters in the entire game and run the score up? All coaches don't do that, Dale retired.

psychic,

 

You think Louisville Central deserves to be ranked higher than X?

 

Knox Central higher than Louisville Central?

 

If that's the case, Knox Central should be ahead of Louisville Central (because Knox beat Louisville) and Central should be ahead of X (because Central beat X).

 

Because you are looking at entire state -- with plenty more results, scores at play -- you CANNOT say in a list of 200 teams or so, "A must be ahead of B" because "A beat B" while COMPLETELY IGNORING everything else at hand.

 

I don't care if Ryle wins the rematch (if there is one) or if Cooper has a long postseason run. I'll sleep fine either way.

 

But computer goes on way more than just solely head to head.

 

That is why whoever wrote the program is an idiot if they don't take into account head to head matchups. So are saying that the state title winner shouldn't be the determining factor for who the champ should be in each class each year? What you are saying is play the title game just for the fun of it but the outcome doesn't matter, we'll determine who the winner is by looking at idiotic data of how close scores of their other games were, not who won them. That is the most idiotic computer ranking system ever.

FWIW, Cooper has also played one of those winless teams (Campbell) that Ryle played and is about to play a second (Boone). Playing Boone will severely hurt Cooper's strength of schedule, while it will barely hurt Ryle (since Boone is already included for Ryle).

 

This is the info by MaxPreps/CalPreps (same exact numbers) for Ryle and Cooper:

 

COOPER WINS

#1196 Ryle (Union, KY) (27-21),

#2289 Lexington Catholic (Lexington, KY) (28-0),

#3381 Highlands (Fort Thomas, KY) (37-13),

#4366 Newport Central Catholic (Newport, KY) (35-0),

#7530 Dixie Heights (Edgewood, KY) (35-7),

#8439 Campbell County (Alexandria, KY) (35-7),

 

RYLE WINS

#2289 Lexington Catholic (Lexington, KY) (31-24),

#3244 Covington Catholic (Park Hills, KY) (35-28),

#3381 Highlands (Fort Thomas, KY) (48-24),

#8420 Boone County (Florence, KY) (52-7),

#8439 Campbell County (Alexandria, KY) (52-7),

#8531 Clark [George Rogers] (Winchester, KY) (49-10)

 

COOPER LOSSES

#162 Kenton [simon] (Independence, KY) (26-7),

#605 Bryan Station (Lexington, KY) (36-0)

 

RYLE LOSSES

#793 Cooper (Burlington, KY) (27-21)

 

What sticks out to me is Ryle scored more points against every common opponent: LexCath (31 Ryle, 28 Cooper), Highlands (48-37) and Campbell (52-35).

 

Ryle was also competitive in its one loss (point differential of 6) while Cooper wasn't in either loss (differential of 19 and 36).

 

I have no dog in this fight. Just telling you what the numbers see.

 

You can't make head-to-head as the SOLE decider, because that negates styles, matchups, weather, injuries, etc.

 

Just because Team A can shut down Team B's passing attack one week does NOT mean Team A will be able to beat Team C (which may be WORSE than Team B, but have a running attack that Team A struggles to stop).

 

Cooper barely beat Ryle at home. However, NEITHER team is perfect on the road. Flip the script and we could have been talking about Ryle beating Cooper (since BOTH teams are perfect at home, but flipping the game would mean Ryle playing at home against Cooper instead of Ryle being on the road).

 

Question why does point scored stick out to you as you said Ryle scored more against each common opponent? On the flip side you would also see against common opponents Ryle gave up a lot more points than Cooper did against those same teams? So just interesting why that sticks out to you, but not points given up?

 

Other than that I do like how you tried to explain things here. Even if I don't agree.

Question why does point scored stick out to you as you said Ryle scored more against each common opponent? On the flip side you would also see against common opponents Ryle gave up a lot more points than Cooper did against those same teams? So just interesting why that sticks out to you, but not points given up?

 

Other than that I do like how you tried to explain things here. Even if I don't agree.

 

Thanks for the rational response. Seriously.

 

Like I said, I have no dog in this fight. Can't remember the last time I saw a NKY team play.

 

It sticks out because I THINK -- don't know for sure -- that points scored somehow has a factor/multiplier attached to it.

 

I was looking through the numbers and trying to figure out why Ryle was ahead of Cooper.

 

The points against common opponents would partially explain it, no?

psychic,

 

You think Louisville Central deserves to be ranked higher than X?

 

Knox Central higher than Louisville Central?

 

If that's the case, Knox Central should be ahead of Louisville Central (because Knox beat Louisville) and Central should be ahead of X (because Central beat X).

 

Because you are looking at entire state -- with plenty more results, scores at play -- you CANNOT say in a list of 200 teams or so, "A must be ahead of B" because "A beat B" while COMPLETELY IGNORING everything else at hand.

 

I don't care if Ryle wins the rematch (if there is one) or if Cooper has a long postseason run. I'll sleep fine either way.

 

But computer goes on way more than just solely head to head.

 

That week after they beat them? Yes, in both cases. (Although you could make an argument for St. X given the weather which was certainly a factor). Both Central and St. X learned from those losses, improved, and beat better teams, justifying their rise back into the rankings.

 

I agree that teams do not exist in a vacuum, but what has Ryle done that makes them better than Cooper? The best team they won against Cooper beat by a far larger margin and the teams Cooper lost to are better than anyone Ryle has faced (including Cooper). Cooper has the strongest overall schedule, and even if you only count wins, Cooper still has a stronger schedule.

 

You are making the argument that 'head-to-head' is not the final say, which I can agree with. However, what outside information supports putting Ryle above Cooper? Because they have more points scored per game? No surprise there, Ryle has a better offense. However, Cooper has a better defense and has had less points scored against them (110) than Ryle (127) despite their harder schedule.

Thanks for the rational response. Seriously.

 

Like I said, I have no dog in this fight. Can't remember the last time I saw a NKY team play.

 

It sticks out because I THINK -- don't know for sure -- that points scored somehow has a factor/multiplier attached to it.

 

I was looking through the numbers and trying to figure out why Ryle was ahead of Cooper.

 

The points against common opponents would partially explain it, no?

 

I don't have a dog in the fight either; I'm a Trinity fan. I jumped in because your argument made no sense.

 

However, if you are merely looking for a way to explain why the computer thought this and not defending that ranking, I can understand.

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Oh those crazy Lit Ratings at #12 and #13.... :popcorn:

I don't have a dog in the fight either; I'm a Trinity fan. I jumped in because your argument made no sense.

 

However, if you are merely looking for a way to explain why the computer thought this and not defending that ranking, I can understand.

 

That's what I'm doing.

 

I have no definitive prove why the computer spits out what it does/did ... I'm trying to use the data available to find a solution.