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You've been warned! Read/post at your own risk.

 

What I liked:

1. Enquirer showcasing HS sports. A+ for effort.

2. Legit KHSAA State Champs like Highlands football and Holy Cross girls basketball featured

 

What I don't like:

Champions of the private, non-state run small school invitational tournament, known as the "All-A" being lumped together with actual KHSAA State Champions in the same article/section. Enquirer is very careful - calls the section "Salute to Champions" (not "Salute to State Champions") which opens the door to featuring just about any team that ever won anything.

 

I gave the Enquirer an A+ for effort, but I'll give an "F" for execution. I question the Enquirer and their sponsor Tri-Health for their support of the "everybody gets a medal" double-dipping mentality which the All-A is now seemingly based on, since the majority of All-A winners also have a shot at winning their Region or State (see Holy Cross). There are plenty of official KHSAA State Champions in NKY (and yes, some of those sports have official KHSAA classes but they are all still part of the KHSAA) and the article/section would have been just fine focusing on them. Lumping in the "All-A" teams perpetuates the myth that the All-A is an official state tournament and sends a message to the masses that don't follow HS sports all that closely that all the teams listed in the article are on equal footing, which just isn't true.

 

Let's say I started a boy's HS basketball tournament called the "Uncle Julian's Pork Rind Classic" (the UJPRC) and it was only open to schools with an enrollment of 700 students or more, and it was open to every team in the state, and every eligible team participated through a series of districts, and regionals, and eventually a round of 16,8,4,2 in a centralized location (like Freedom Hall) with 1 eventual champion. And let's say Cooper won that tournament. Would Cooper be listed in the Enquirer's Salute to Champions? Would all of you consider Cooper the "State Champ" because they won the UJPRC?

 

And how is my hypothetical situation ANY different than the All-A?

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The lives that have been ruined by the Enquirer recognizing All-A champions. I'm sure these kids will forever feel entitled and probably become lousy adults because they were recognized for winning a large, statewide tournament against schools of similar size.

 

Is it a true state title?? No. And I think just about anybody who really cares knows that. But it is an important, well regarded event, and I have no issues with calling the winners a champion.

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Is it a true state title?? No. And I think just about anybody who really cares knows that. But it is an important, well regarded event, and I have no issues with calling the winners a champion.

 

I didn't say they weren't champions - they are, of that one specific tournament. And to be clear again, the Enquirer didn't call it a "salute to state champions" but a "salute to champions". But I also think the Enquirer could have stuck with KHSAA State Champions and been just fine. Otherwise, shouldn't the Enquirer be recognizing ALL of the privately run, individual tournaments entered and won by area teams? The All-A is no different than any of those, or my fictional UJPRC. Would you include the winner of my fictional UJPRC in your roll call of champions? Anyone going to print a T-Shirt that says "UJPRC State Champs" ??

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If you had the ability to put on a quality tournament, of the caliber that the All A is, then yes, I'm sure it would get recognized.

 

The problem is you would rather incessantly complain about a non-issue rather than getting off your dead horse and building your own tournament.

 

I'll give your comments credibility the day I put my 2xl Pork Rind Classic t shirt on while watching the finals.

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I didn't say they weren't champions - they are, of that one specific tournament. And to be clear again, the Enquirer didn't call it a "salute to state champions" but a "salute to champions". But I also think the Enquirer could have stuck with KHSAA State Champions and been just fine. Otherwise, shouldn't the Enquirer be recognizing ALL of the privately run, individual tournaments entered and won by area teams? The All-A is no different than any of those, or my fictional UJPRC. Would you include the winner of my fictional UJPRC in your roll call of champions? Anyone going to print a T-Shirt that says "UJPRC State Champs" ??

 

The All-A is a little different than "every other" privately run tourney. It is a state wide, fairly large scale tourney. It has more participants than the total number of high school basketball teams in my home state (granted, Delaware is a small state). I know of no other tourney in the state that is even close to in size, organization or scope. That to me does make it a little different, and at least worthy of special recognition. And in regards to your fictional tourney....I would say, if it was ran in the same way, with an equal or close to equal number of participants as the All-A, I have no issues with recognizing the winner as a champion.

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Agreed on the dead horse. Those kids ARE state champs if you like it or not. Give it up!

 

Has anyone told West Jessamine, McCracken County, South Oldham, Mercy, Bowling Green, or Owensboro that they have to share the State Champ title with another team?

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The All-A is a little different than "every other" privately run tourney. It is a state wide, fairly large scale tourney. It has more participants than the total number of high school basketball teams in my home state (granted, Delaware is a small state). I know of no other tourney in the state that is even close to in size, organization or scope. That to me does make it a little different, and at least worthy of special recognition. And in regards to your fictional tourney....I would say, if it was ran in the same way, with an equal or close to equal number of participants as the All-A, I have no issues with recognizing the winner as a champion.

 

State champion or champion? There's a difference.

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Newport Central Catholic - 2015 All A State Champion - Boys Basketball

Owensboro -2015 State Champion - Boys Basketball

 

If anyone doesn't know the difference or think that either teams is slighted in anyway by the accomplishment of the other then I don't know what to say.

 

Absolutely no one I know, confuses the "All A State Champion" in any sport for the "KHSAA State Champion"

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You've been warned! Read/post at your own risk.

 

What I liked:

1. Enquirer showcasing HS sports. A+ for effort.

2. Legit KHSAA State Champs like Highlands football and Holy Cross girls basketball featured

 

What I don't like:

Champions of the private, non-state run small school invitational tournament, known as the "All-A" being lumped together with actual KHSAA State Champions in the same article/section. Enquirer is very careful - calls the section "Salute to Champions" (not "Salute to State Champions") which opens the door to featuring just about any team that ever won anything.

 

I gave the Enquirer an A+ for effort, but I'll give an "F" for execution. I question the Enquirer and their sponsor Tri-Health for their support of the "everybody gets a medal" double-dipping mentality which the All-A is now seemingly based on, since the majority of All-A winners also have a shot at winning their Region or State (see Holy Cross). There are plenty of official KHSAA State Champions in NKY (and yes, some of those sports have official KHSAA classes but they are all still part of the KHSAA) and the article/section would have been just fine focusing on them. Lumping in the "All-A" teams perpetuates the myth that the All-A is an official state tournament and sends a message to the masses that don't follow HS sports all that closely that all the teams listed in the article are on equal footing, which just isn't true.

 

Let's say I started a boy's HS basketball tournament called the "Uncle Julian's Pork Rind Classic" (the UJPRC) and it was only open to schools with an enrollment of 700 students or more, and it was open to every team in the state, and every eligible team participated through a series of districts, and regionals, and eventually a round of 16,8,4,2 in a centralized location (like Freedom Hall) with 1 eventual champion. And let's say Cooper won that tournament. Would Cooper be listed in the Enquirer's Salute to Champions? Would all of you consider Cooper the "State Champ" because they won the UJPRC?

 

And how is my hypothetical situation ANY different than the All-A?

 

I would like for you to play this song all the way through about 2-3 times. While doing so, I want you to close your eyes and breathe in through your nose, deeply, and out through the mouth, slowly. By the time you're done, "All A" won't mean anything.

 

If nothing else, this song has half your username. You're kind of obligated.

 

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