Yes or No? Why?

 

I will go first, I think teams should be able to move up because of scheduling/travel/etc. For example, if we go to six classes you could be the only team in your area in your class and that could make district games and traveling a real issue. I doubt many teams would want to play up but having a choice is superior to no choices at all in my opinion.

 

What do you think? Why?

I think that things will be too tight, with six classes, to allow teams to play up. I mean, there'll be so few teams by class already, and now you're going to dillute the pool?

I think that things will be too tight, with six classes, to allow teams to play up. I mean, there'll be so few teams by class already, and now you're going to dillute the pool?

I agree with 02Ram54...

 

The idea, in theory, makes perfect sense. However, a lot of districts are going to have only 4 teams so they will not have the option. Maybe if every district had a the least 5 or 6 teams, it would make sense, but the state's population does not allow it, imo.

I guess we think different about it. I would present the districts as they fall by enrollment. I would let any school that wants to submit a private request to play up in class, and then for each team that moves up in class another team would move down so there would be an equal amount of teams in each class. In other words, teams at the bottom of a class would know they are on the fence.

I guess we think different about it. I would present the districts as they fall by enrollment. I would let any school that wants to submit a private request to play up in class, and then for each team that moves up in class another team would move down so there would be an equal amount of teams in each class. In other words, teams at the bottom of a class would know they are on the fence.

 

Couldn't work. First, you'd have to find teams in that area that would be willing to play down (or force teams to play down, and then what if they want to play up? Don't they have as much of an interest in it) and then how fair would it be to the teams in that district that they're playing a team that's too big for them? To be fair, EVERYONE would have to agree, or at least the majority of the teams affected, and i don't really see it working.

 

The other option isn't allowing teams to play up, but instead to have less firm limits for the classes, and some discretion by a board that would decide districts and classes. But I don't think that's what you mean.

Of course it could work. Nobody has to be willing to play down, you play where you are assigned and if you are the bottom team in 4A and a 3A teams requests to play up then then your (the bottom team in 4A) new assignment is the top team in 3A.

 

I suppose you could also give teams an option of locking into the class they are assigned to by enrollment.

 

I really don't think many teams will want to move classes (because it will be more difficult to win a title) but I like the option and if no one is willing to move down (under the lock in option) I really don't see a problem with having a class with one or two extra teams in it.

 

Anyone else?

 

I don't even want to address your last idea, if you want to go there please start another thread.

I'd vote "no". The can of worms it could open would not be worth the hassle.

 

If the coaches think that 5 or 6 is the way to go, they do so with knowing the downside. If they still vote it in, they and every school will have to live with it.

 

No exceptions.

I'm in favor of moving up. Folks, when you see the proposed districts for 5 and 6 classes, you are going to see a whole lot of really spread out districts. In some cases you are going to have only one team in all of that part of the state in that size classification. With fuel prices likely to stay where they are and school budgets getting crunched, I think the Superintendents are going to push for the move up option if we go to 5 or 6 classes to be able to use to address the travel problem. Plus it really isn't going to be the logistical problem that some people think its going to be.

 

Also, with the reduced competition in some classes, I can definitely see why some schools would want to move up to play against the tougher competition as well as possibly preserving the significance of some long standing class rivalries. For example, if they go to 5 classes, Highlands would be in AAA and CovCath would be in AAAA. My guess and its just a guess is that if they went to 5 classes, Highlands would opt to move up if that option is available and CovCath would stay at AAAA. And if the schools wanting to move up can compete with schools in the larger class, why shouldn't they move up? The coaches of the teams in the larger class can't gripe since they will be larger than the team moving up and we're going to 5 or 6 classes largely because the coaches have been complaining that "size matters". So if that's sufficient logic to justify the additional classes, it should hold true on this issue also. And the coaches of the teams in the smaller class that the team moved up from should be thrilled as sailor coming into port after 6 months at sea.

 

For those reasons, I'm in favor of allowing the option.

Yes, absolutely. Any team brave enough to desire better competition should be allowed to move up and get it. The logistics can always be worked out. I think the 6 division idea is the best idea. Almost every team in Kentucky will benefit from a alignment.

Playing up could make it difficult to get the correct number of teams in each district.

And one other thing, the move up decision, if made by a school would remain in effect for the entire term of the district alignment. In other words, you couldn't agree to move up just one year and then decide to move down the next. The districts would be set for the entire term. It could result in a couple of classes being a couple of teams larger than the other classes. I don't think you should force the smallest team in a class to move down to a smaller class just because a smaller school moved up a class, but perhaps the KHSAA could give the smallest school in a class the option of staying put or moving down if a smaller school moves up. For example and only an example, lets assume we go to 5 classes and Lincoln County was the smallest in the 5A class. We allow teams to move up and only permit it to be done by sealed envelopes that are opened only after the move up option decision period is closed (to prevent teams from seeing who is moving up and then making their own decision as to whether or not to move up). After it has been determined that one team decided to move up into 5A (say it was Covington Catholic because there are no other 4A teams in N Ky but several 5A schools), then the smallest 5A school (again, Lincoln County im my example) would be asked if it wanted to remain as a 5A school or move down to 4A. If Lincoln County wanted to stay in 5A because of that's where they felt was best for them, they'd stay in place. If on the other hand, if they had more natural rivals in 4A or felt being in 4A would be better for them from a scheduling/transportation issue, they could move down. Its choice, like that of Covington Catholic's, would remain in force until their was redistricting and reclassification. Since we generally only do the redistricting and reclassification every 4 years, it really would not be that big of a deal to handle. I'm sure Mr. Tackett and the KHSAA folks could handle it.

I get all of the arguments for being allowed to move up.

 

For the record, I'm against more than 4 classes for a state the size of KY.

 

My thinking is that if schools are really pushing for 6 classes then they must take EVERYTHING into account before voting in favor of it. Allowing schools to 'move up' simply makes it easier to vote for the proposal and then have an 'out' to do what they really want to do for their team.

 

You're either for 6 classes and EVERYTHING that goes along with it or you're for 4 classes. You can't be for both.

I don't think you should force the smallest team in a class to move down to a smaller class just because a smaller school moved up a class, but perhaps the KHSAA could give the smallest school in a class the option of staying put or moving down if a smaller school moves up... Since we generally only do the redistricting and reclassification every 4 years, it really would not be that big of a deal to handle. I'm sure Mr. Tackett and the KHSAA folks could handle it.

 

I LOVE the idea of allowing teams to PLAY UP -- no more complaining by some schools that size-disparity wouldn't affect THEM; anybody can then move to the largest class and see just what it would mean to play teams 5 weeks in a row in the playoffs with DOUBLE or more numbers of boys to choose from than you.

 

And Leatherneck's approach seems, to me, to be the right way to do things if playing up is an option.

 

It could end up that one class ends up having more 5-team districts than the class above them or below them; but compare that to the current situation, where there are several districts with EIGHT teams in them and a few with only FOUR.

 

The "sealed envelopes" idea would be the right way to avoid schools moving just to get a competitive advantage.

 

And I really like the idea of giving the team that could be "moved down" the option rather than just doing it without their knowledge.

 

...now, if they'd just give the COACHES and PLAYERS that have to use them the "option" of which BALL to use in the playoffs!:fire:

I LOVE the idea of allowing teams to PLAY UP -- no more complaining by some schools that size-disparity wouldn't affect THEM; anybody can then move to the largest class and see just what it would mean to play teams 5 weeks in a row in the playoffs with DOUBLE or more numbers of boys to choose from than you.

 

And Leatherneck's approach seems, to me, to be the right way to do things if playing up is an option.

 

It could end up that one class ends up having more 5-team districts than the class above them or below them; but compare that to the current situation, where there are several districts with EIGHT teams in them and a few with only FOUR.

 

The "sealed envelopes" idea would be the right way to avoid schools moving just to get a competitive advantage.

 

And I really like the idea of giving the team that could be "moved down" the option rather than just doing it without their knowledge.

 

...now, if they'd just give the COACHES and PLAYERS that have to use them the "option" of which BALL to use in the playoffs!:fire:

 

Coach, every now and then I come up with a good idea and get it right:banana:

I thought only one or two districts had four teams.

 

What happens if you have a five-team district and two teams in it decide to play up?