Any ideas who had interviews?

 

I do, but I'm not willing to divulge that to anyone. You can really hurt people's careers when rumors of them interviewing for other jobs gets out in the open and guys get a reputation for trying to job hop. Look at Dave Wirth: Replaced Terry Malone at Badin and he starts looking for a new job after year 1 with the Mason opening and Massilon Opening (when they hired Jason Hall) Finds one at CovCath, finally, I may add and then immediately starts looking at jobs while at CCH.

 

The school is keeping this tight-lipped for good reason. Just be certain it was a good mix of the group I talked about in my first post.

I don't know how the 2 players from Beechwood compares with numbers from other schools. How many players from Highlands, Covington Catholic, Newport Catholic and other top N. Ky. programs are on the current TMC roster?

 

You're missing my point -- this was a quote from the coach. We're off on a tangent about numbers of players from NKY schools. Sorry for leading you in that direction.

Lots of misinformation out there about this opening.

 

Noel Rash would be a good fit because he PLAYED at that level. But he's on record as not steering his Beechwood kids to Thomas More because of the cost. I'm not sure how this is able to be reconciled.

 

Here is exactly what the school is looking for: Someone with experience at the D3 level and someone who can deal with some of the things that AREN'T in place as of yet at this school (others may refer to them as roadblocks to success). It was also mentioned that TMC would struggle to hire someone better... this is incorrect. I have on very good authority there was a SURPRISING amount of interest in this job at the D3 level. There are over 230 schools playing NCAA Sponsored Football at the D3 level and under Jim Hilvert, TMC became a consistent Top20 program. They had fast-rising coordinators applying from the D3 Level, Head Coaches from schools not in the Top 50 in D3 and they had interest from guys at the D2 level (Coordinators).

 

This job has the following advantages:

*Cincy-based recruiting -- just WIN Cincinnati and you'll be a top 20 program

*New President -- focused on growing the college organically through its sports programs, ala Mount Union

*Alumni Giving Guy in place -- The money should be flowing into the program so they can finish the damn stadium already.

 

 

Bottom line, they want someone who will embrace the challenges at the school while also taking advantage of the new focus on athletics (under President Armstrong) and they want someone who will stick around (hence the D3 experience).

 

I don't see the issue. It sounds as if Coach Rash was being honest with his players about the cost of Thomas More vs. other potential small college football opportunities.

 

Honesty should count for Coach Rash, not against him.

You're missing my point -- this was a quote from the coach. We're off on a tangent about numbers of players from NKY schools. Sorry for leading you in that direction.

 

I understand but I don't immediately trust what one coach says. I don't doubt you that the coach said it, but when I see two Beechwood players on the roster it makes me wonder. You said there should be more. I asked how that compares to other top local football programs. Is there anyone from Highlands on the roster? How many from CCH? I agree we are on a tangent so we can leave it there if you want. I am not buying that statement your coach connection made.

If Georgetown kicks in more money to its players than TMC does then that could explain it.

TMC can't kick in any money to its players. They are D3. D3 kids get no more aid than a normal student.

TMC can't kick in any money to its players. They are D3. D3 kids get no more aid than a normal student.

 

You can still get quite a bit in Aid for the 1st year. Most kids disappear from the roster in between years 1 and 2 at the D3 level because MOST of that Aid is for 1st year students.

TMC can't kick in any money to its players. They are D3. D3 kids get no more aid than a normal student.

 

That's what I was thinking. I can see why Georgetown would be cheaper than TMC.

That's what I was thinking. I can see why Georgetown would be cheaper than TMC.

Some posters on BGPs say kids get a free education at D3s NAIA. The numbers don't support that statement. How can a school of 1500 give 130+ kids a free education?? Heck football programs are at an all time high. Schools use this as an enrollment tool. Just like a nursing program or any other major draw for students.

TMC can't kick in any money to its players. They are D3. D3 kids get no more aid than a normal student.

 

Although none of it is 'athletic' money, there is money to be had for athletes attending Thomas More and they are able to give very competitive financial aid packages. Especially if a kid has good grades and test scores.

Although none of it is 'athletic' money, there is money to be had for athletes attending Thomas More and they are able to give very competitive financial aid packages. Especially if a kid has good grades and test scores.

It's based only on grades and test scores. If that player didn't play a sport they would get the same aid. That's my point. TMC isn't giving them a thing.

Some posters on BGPs say kids get a free education at D3s NAIA. The numbers don't support that statement. How can a school of 1500 give 130+ kids a free education?? Heck football programs are at an all time high. Schools use this as an enrollment tool. Just like a nursing program or any other major draw for students.

 

Very few go for free, but many go for the cost of the student loan. These kids would most likely have no meal plans and live at home rather than on campus.

It's based only on grades and test scores. If that player didn't play a sport they would get the same aid. That's my point. TMC isn't giving them a thing.

 

This isn't entirely true. There are pots of money that go to athletes, but are dressed as president's scholarships, alumni scholarships, and whatever else they want to name them.

Very few go for free, but many go for the cost of the student loan. These kids would most likely have no meal plans and live at home rather than on campus.

I hope TMC doesn't require the freshman football players to live on campus. If so tack another 5000 on the bill.

This isn't entirely true. There are pots of money that go to athletes, but are dressed as president's scholarships, alumni scholarships, and whatever else they want to name them.

 

The NCAA has figured out such dodges. It bars college coaches from even "indirectly influencing" scholarship decisions at Division III schools. That means a call, or even a wink, from a coach to a financial aid officer shouldn't improve a student's odds of winning a grant. "The coach can tell the student who to call" in the financial aid office to apply for aid, "but that's it," Hartung said.

 

To keep everyone honest, the NCAA requires each Division III school to report how much money it gives to students who play sports and how much money it gives to nonathletes. Those numbers show that athletes at Division III schools, on average, aren't getting significantly more money than nonathletes. Sports players make up 21 percent of the student body at Division III schools, he said. In recent years, the NCAA has found that athletes receive 22 percent of all the scholarship dollars handed out by Division III schools.

I hope TMC doesn't require the freshman football players to live on campus. If so tack another 5000 on the bill.

 

They don't. Thomas More is still considered a commuter school.