Anyone have an update on the status of this job?

Good athletes. Good facilities. Good feeder system in place. Good luck getting them to play basketball as it currently stands. They would be at least 2-3 years away from being solid with the right Coach, but the advantage of a soft District means Regional births aren't too far off. Who ever takes it (IMO) would be best off with Coaches for 7th, 8th and 9th grade hand picked and ready to go...

 

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The middle school area of Erlanger has produced some very good athletes. The problem has been for quite some time now for a good system on the high school level to attract kids to play ball there.

 

Its not only kids going to other schools, but kids who are in the halls who just don't play. Everyone knows there are athletes there due to the football teams success, they need a good personality or someone passoinate about basketball in that school.

 

I don't think they have a team that was considered for the regional title since 96 and that is a shame.

I agree that this job is daunting task, but I have to disagree and say that Mr. Lutz is the right man for this job. He has a wealth of knowledge, he has been the JV coach for 3 years and from what I have seen the kids respect him. He has something over the last 3 coaches at Lloyd (Gillis, Shea, Brauch) he is a Lloyd guy! I think that carries a lot of weight. He not only wants to be successful as a coach, but he wants to succeed as an alumni. Similar to a Schlarman at Highlands, and even Brannen at NCC. If given the opportunity, I believe he will be the coach for a long time. Not someone who is there for a few years and is ready to move on. Lloyd hasn't had that stability since Bill Code. The feeder system is starting to get some young coaches involved who have a basketball background, not just someone to fill a spot. Lloyd could lose someone very loyal and very good if they aren't careful.

 

Lloyd needs a fresh start and someone outside the program. Any hire within will be the wrong one.

From what I hear from many Lloyd people, the program needs help. The help has to start at the middle school level. I know nothing of the coaches there now, but the numerous people tell me that Lloyd needs better fundamental and disciplinary coaches inthe 6th, 7th, and 8th grade. The kids arrive at Lloyd and already think they know everything. They aren't willing to learn. Too many attitudes and personalities are trying to take over the program by themselves.

 

With this said, who would step up and be willing to rebuild not just a high school program, but a middle school one also? That is a duanting task. So in other words its going to take more than one person, its going to take an army of people to build Lloyd to where it needs to be.

 

The talent is there, and always has been, its the program that needs help.

 

I haven't coached middle school in a couple years. But unless something has changed since the time I was in middle school and the times I was coaching Tishnoer (sp?) middle school was a very good program.

Obviously there are some major problems with these kids by the time they get to the JV/Varsity level.... If they have gone through that many coaches and last year Brauch had to get rid of the bad apples. I applaud him for putting his foot down and playing with kids that would actually listen to him. I think the discipline needs to start in the Middle school programs like an earlier thread stated.... As far as passionate about the program... how passionate can you be when you have apathetic players who do not respect the coach?

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The middle school area of Erlanger has produced some very good athletes. The problem has been for quite some time now for a good system on the high school level to attract kids to play ball there.

 

Its not only kids going to other schools, but kids who are in the halls who just don't play. Everyone knows there are athletes there due to the football teams success, they need a good personality or someone passoinate about basketball in that school.

 

I don't think they have a team that was considered for the regional title since 96 and that is a shame.

They have a had 1 legit contender in football since the 1996 team. Everyone gives them credit for being good in football, but look at the district they play in. When they play Beechwood, Dixie, NCC they get throttled. The fact of the matter is the talent level at Lloyd has just diminished. Baseball, Football, and Basketball haven't been very good. I wouldn't say it has been the basketball coach's fault that the other sports can't win. The administration needs to evaluate the overall picture before saying a coach from within the program can't succeed here. It's going to be the right guy who can make it work at Lloyd. It doesn't matter if it is someone from within or from the outside. An individual has to understand what they are dealing with here in regards to talent, then play to those kids strengths!

They have a had 1 legit contender in football since the 1996 team. Everyone gives them credit for being good in football, but look at the district they play in. When they play Beechwood, Dixie, NCC they get throttled. The fact of the matter is the talent level at Lloyd has just diminished. Baseball, Football, and Basketball haven't been very good. I wouldn't say it has been the basketball coach's fault that the other sports can't win. The administration needs to evaluate the overall picture before saying a coach from within the program can't succeed here. It's going to be the right guy who can make it work at Lloyd. It doesn't matter if it is someone from within or from the outside. An individual has to understand what they are dealing with here in regards to talent, then play to those kids strengths!

There are slight hints of truth in this falsehood...

Here's what I know... which isn't much anyways...

 

But not last year, but two years ago, they probably should have been one of the best in the region... they had two of the best players in the region, and IMO, Kinney was never used correctly in their offense...

IMO the Lloyd program and for that matter the school itself has started to develop something of a thug reputation deservedly or not. They need a strong injection of new blood and a new attitude and an administration that will step up and say this how we are going to things and not let the inmates run the asylum. With all due respect Mr Sanders for your taking the lead on Prop 20 proposal but b4 you lead the charge on that issue you need to clean up some issues at your school that are quite apparent.

IMO the Lloyd program and for that matter the school itself has started to develop something of a thug reputation deservedly or not. They need a strong injection of new blood and a new attitude and an administration that will step up and say this how we are going to things and not let the inmates run the asylum. With all due respect Mr Sanders for your taking the lead on Prop 20 proposal but b4 you lead the charge on that issue you need to clean up some issues at your school that are quite apparent.

 

Unfortunately that reputation has been tagged to Lloyd, but I don't think it just has to do with basketball. That type of thing starts in the community and at home. If they need a stong injection of new blood, that would mean they need it at all levels in all sports wouldn't it? LHS isn't what it used to be and it hoops they need one of their own to restore that Juggernaut pride!

 

Apparently Gametime didn't completely agree with what was said earlier, care to elaborate?

ESPNGUY, who else beside Charles Kinney on that team could have been considered a top player in the region? I agree they under achieved to an extent, but they weren't a threat for a real strong region. They should've have been in the region tournament at least. How would you have used Charles Kinney?

Hopkins, Voght, Bradford, Webb, Lovett, Kinney, Grayson, the boys and girls CC and track teams and so on. The talent is still there, and is still doing quite well across the board. What you don't have in hoops that was there 10 years ago is Mike Code, Kevin Bundy, Rick Tyler, Jeff Jump, Chris Hook and others that developed the basketball program at the middle school, frosh and JV levels like Lloyd had in that period. It's easy to point to that small window in basketball, and wonder what went wrong. But look right before the Sheffield/Brake/Lee era and you'll see the basketball program was in as bad (if not worse) shape 13 years ago. That's when the names I mentioned took over the youth programs and got the players on the court as a team far before Varsity hoops was a concern. Coach Lucas has done a nice job with the football program, but to compare them to the big boys and say Lloyd was there with them a decade ago is also false. NCC and Beechwood owned Lloyd when they were in Class A, so it's not like this is breaking news now...

Hopkins, Voght, Bradford, Webb, Lovett, Kinney, Grayson, the boys and girls CC and track teams and so on. The talent is still there, and is still doing quite well across the board. What you don't have in hoops that was there 10 years ago is Mike Code, Kevin Bundy, Rick Tyler, Jeff Jump, Chris Hook and others that developed the basketball program at the middle school, frosh and JV levels like Lloyd had in that period. It's easy to point to that small window in basketball, and wonder what went wrong. But look right before the Sheffield/Brake/Lee era and you'll see the basketball program was in as bad (if not worse) shape 13 years ago. That's when the names I mentioned took over the youth programs and got the players on the court as a team far before Varsity hoops was a concern. Coach Lucas has done a nice job with the football program, but to compare them to the big boys and say Lloyd was there with them a decade ago is also false. NCC and Beechwood owned Lloyd when they were in Class A, so it's not like this is breaking news now...

I agree with the football thing. But they also weren't losing by 60 points in the 90's, simply because they were more talented. They were competitive with those other teams. I remember that era as well, and boy it kind of goes back to the talent thing the 3 guys you mentioned were pretty good players. They made 1 run their Senior year. But to compare the recent talent to those guys, simply isn't fair. Grayson and Kinney couldn't guard Sheffied together. The coaches you mentioned, a couple have gone on to have good careers. Also 4 of those 5 are Lloyd alumni, if I'm not mistaken. They wanted to build up the program that they played for. I mentioed in a previous post that the last 3 coaches weren't Lloyd people. How long did they last? 3 years 2 and 3. then got out. That could happen again if they get someone who isn't familiar with the program and who understands that it is going to be a process to make it successful again.

The middle school program is in a league that they shouldn't be in. They compete with all the Boone and Kenton County schools, and those schools just have more to choose from. There has been a lot of growth in both counties giving those schools many more students and that has carried over in athletics. Every few years Tichenor has a team that competes in that league. The other years they get drilled. If I won 10 games over a 3 year middle school career I probably wouldn't want to play in high school either.

Maybe I'll coach 7th grade next year and get things back on track...

 

 

Isn't every coach in the system a Lloyd grad now that Brauch is gone???

Unfortunately that reputation has been tagged to Lloyd, but I don't think it just has to do with basketball. That type of thing starts in the community and at home. If they need a stong injection of new blood, that would mean they need it at all levels in all sports wouldn't it? LHS isn't what it used to be and it hoops they need one of their own to restore that Juggernaut pride!

 

Apparently Gametime didn't completely agree with what was said earlier, care to elaborate?

ESPNGUY, who else beside Charles Kinney on that team could have been considered a top player in the region? I agree they under achieved to an extent, but they weren't a threat for a real strong region. They should've have been in the region tournament at least. How would you have used Charles Kinney?

 

Trent Grayson was a very strong inside player when motivated, which he played more motivated in his JR. season than he did in his senior season... thats who I was referring to...

 

I will say I exaggerated when I said one of the best in the region, but they should have at least been there and competed in the regional tournament...

 

How would I have used Charles Kinney? I would have not made him handle the ball so much, no matter who I had to get to be the PG... He tried to make to much happen with the ball, instead of worrying about what he was best at, scoring and slashing to the basket. I would have let him move without the ball a whole lot more, ran plays for him coming off screens, cuttin' to the basket, with only the occasional pull up J, becuase even though he could hit the pull up J, his strength was his athleticism which would have been best utilized cutting to the basket...

Maybe I'll coach 7th grade next year and get things back on track...

 

 

Isn't every coach in the system a Lloyd grad now that Brauch is gone???

 

 

Everyone except 1 middle school coach. Maybe if they hire within, they can make a spot for you:thumb: