Man, I wonder what it's like to never have needed a second chance... Must be pretty awesome living life that perfectly.

 

I'm all for 2nd chances, and I don't necessarily agree with Clyde's point, but Harris is well past the "2nd chance" stuff. At this point, it's tough to justify giving Harris another chance. Some people are just bad people, and some people are just criminals. Just my opinion.

Man, I wonder what it's like to never have needed a second chance... Must be pretty awesome living life that perfectly.

 

Come on , Father Flanagan. College coaches are not about "second chances" in and of itself. They are looking for talent first, second, and third.

 

There are way too many talented kids out there who do NOT have felonies like armed robbery who should be given that "chance" you speak of.

 

Again, no matter when the subsequent crime occurs (and it often does) it always reflects back on the school.

I'm all for 2nd chances, and I don't necessarily agree with Clyde's point, but Harris is well past the "2nd chance" stuff. At this point, it's tough to justify giving Harris another chance. Some people are just bad people, and some people are just criminals. Just my opinion.

 

 

He's well beyond anyone at UL giving him a chance of any #. This has nothing to do with UL.

 

I understand what Clyde is saying. But, I wonder if there's a way to find out how many troubled kids were HELPED because they were given a chance, and turned their life around.

 

I don't know if he was ever in trouble prior to arriving at UL, but his story is all too familiar to many who did wind up in trouble. Lorenzo Mauldin was raised in a multitude of foster homes. That's the blueprint for an alarmingly high number of troubled kids. I don't know much else, but I do know that I believe in giving kids multiple chances. If they screw up, then you take appropriate action. But after all is said and done and they've moved on in life, and they screw up, then there's not much you can do. You tried.

Sorry you guys feel this way. As someone who works for the court system - I have seen both success and failures. I know many convicted felons that are leading a very productive life.

 

There's a wide variety of felonies and you can't just lump them together saying they can lead productive lives. Guy steals a TV from Wal-Mart that costs over $500, that's a felony. Odds are the person didn't even know that'd be a felony. Armed robbery and burglary, especially many times are crimes that everyone knows is a felony. I'd be more interested in knowing what felonies these people you know have committed that they bounce back from? My guess is it's mostly flagrant non-support, etc. not violent crimes.

He's well beyond anyone at UL giving him a chance of any #. This has nothing to do with UL.

 

I agree, which is why I didn't say anything about Louisville.

 

I also agree with your 2nd point, that many people take advantage of 2nd opportunities & are able to turn their lives around.

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It's not easy.

I'm all for 2nd chances, and I don't necessarily agree with Clyde's point, but Harris is well past the "2nd chance" stuff. At this point, it's tough to justify giving Harris another chance. Some people are just bad people, and some people are just criminals. Just my opinion.

 

I'm not talking about him getting another chance NOW. I agree, he's used them up.

 

I'm talking about him being at UofL.

Again, no matter when the subsequent crime occurs (and it often does) it always reflects back on the school.

 

Maybe in your opinion. If someone gets in trouble a decade after they graduate, I don't think it reflects poorly on the University. That's silly to me.

Maybe in your opinion. If someone gets in trouble a decade after they graduate, I don't think it reflects poorly on the University. That's silly to me.

 

Um, Rex Chapman? Richie Farmer? Everyone associates those guys with UK. Always will.

It's not the program's fault they screwed up. But even so, they weren't in trouble before coming to UK, were they? They developed their bad habits afterward, right?

It's not the program's fault they screwed up. But even so' date=' they weren't in trouble before coming to UK, were they? They developed their bad habits afterward, right?[/quote']

 

Association is there though.

There's a wide variety of felonies and you can't just lump them together saying they can lead productive lives. Guy steals a TV from Wal-Mart that costs over $500' date=' that's a felony. Odds are the person didn't even know that'd be a felony. Armed robbery and burglary, especially many times are crimes that everyone knows is a felony. I'd be more interested in knowing what felonies these people you know have committed that they bounce back from? My guess is it's mostly flagrant non-support, etc. not violent crimes.[/quote']

 

This guy was arrested in high school for armed robbery. There is no explanation for robbery when you had a weapon.

Um, Rex Chapman? Richie Farmer? Everyone associates those guys with UK. Always will.

 

Of course people know they went to UK. That doesn't mean they look negatively on the University because of it...

Of course people know they went to UK. That doesn't mean they look negatively on the University because of it...

 

They shouldn't but I think you know as well as I do that if John Wall were to be arrested today, a large portion of sport followers who are not UK fans would be saying things like: "Who is surprised, that is the type of player Cal recruits". Heck, we would probably see it on this site. Again, it shouldn't reflect negatively on the University, the school or the coach but it will.

 

Of course people know they went to UK. That doesn't mean they look negatively on the University because of it...

 

But they are referred to as former UK basketball players. I don't agree with any of that because there are 20 great former athletes for every bad one, but they are always associated with the program.