No offense, but wrong.

 

Nope. They can blow smoke but nothing will be done if someone just attended the event. Zero chance.

 

Not really but okay. If you say so.

 

I've seen it with my own eye balls.

 

Clearly he has a following, even if not here.

Neither does a retired police officer. You don't even know who sang the song.

 

How are people supposed to know what someone is going to sing as guests at a private party?

 

If I'm hosting an event for a charity organization that I'm going to put my name on (and that's what this was), then I'm going to be damn sure that when I hire the entertainment, I ask to see a set list and we go over any objectionable material.

 

Maybe that happened here, maybe it didn't, but if you are going to run an organization and hold yourself out asking for donations and doing fundraisers, it's your own fault when the damage comes to your image if you, as the host of said event that you are putting your name on, don't do some preliminary work like that and then some goof gets up and screws up, it gets out, and your image is smeared.

Nope. They can blow smoke but nothing will be done if someone just attended the event. Zero chance.

 

And that's not what I said. I'm saying that they didn't have to be up there singing or to have had to be proven to know about it in advance to find themselves in hot water. Let politics get involved and see the reasons the department might come up with to discipline someone they've had on the "bad list" for awhile.

To be clear about what I'm saying in Post #93:

 

Most people who organize events like these, as a way of what some in my profession politely terms 'CYA' or "Cover Your Rear", definitely pre-approve what type of songs will be sang, jokes told, etc.

 

I'm not saying that someone definitely pre approved the whole song and had him perform it for them in advance. I'm just saying that 9/10 people with experience hosting these types of things would have asked for a set list, seen a song they didn't know and asked questions about it, then went over what was off-limits.

 

Either the song was pre-approved, or someone has basically tarnished the organization's image by not having the foresight to look into who they hired and go over what was and wasn't acceptable. Methinks that if there were a meeting before hand and this song wasn't mentioned and the person just went rouge and decided to sing it, then the organizer goes up and cuts the mic once it becomes apparent what's happening. That's what people in charge of marketing your charity and protecting the image of your brand do.

And that's not what I said. I'm saying that they didn't have to be up there singing or to have had to be proven to know about it in advance to find themselves in hot water. Let politics get involved and see the reasons the department might come up with to discipline someone they've had on the "bad list" for awhile.

 

Police are union employees. No police union is going to allow an officer to lose a job or recieve any significant punishment.

 

I find the song disgusting and very poor taste. If I'm the PR person for the LAPD um having nightmares.

 

But at the end of the day there was no criminal act and proving prior knowledge by any officer of the lyrics before they were performed will be almost impossible.

 

While embarrassing and disgusting this is a non issue in the grand scheme of things and will be buried.

A lot of things contribute to making that gap wider...my whole point is if Sharpton can't be blamed for what others do around him, why should the guests at this party be blamed for a song they might not have known was going to be played?

 

Agree completely. I don't think anyone is calling for people at the party to be blamed if they were just innocent bystanders.

 

 

At the same time, I wonder about someone's decision making if they are there encouraging the behavior knowing it's an organized event, I wonder about the decision making of someone who doesn't think to ask for a set list before they let someone have a microphone at an event they are putting their name on, I wonder about the trustworthiness of someone if they are simply asked something like, "yes or no, were you in attendance" and lie or mislead during an investigation. No one wants heads to roll for someone who was just in the vicinity of some off-color or insensitive comments, but at the same time, no one wants their intelligence insulted about what went on either.

 

At the very least, the signer is being ostracized and whoever was in charge of hiring him and keeping control at the event needs talked to about their behavior, especially when they give a quote like "this is America..." then go lawyer up and issue some insincere, half-hearted statement that you know the lawyer's PR people wrote up for them once the heat is on.

 

Again, that's at the very least-- poor judgment on the part of the singer and at least incompetence about how to run an event like that on the manager's part.

Police are union employees. No police union is going to allow an officer to lose a job or recieve any significant punishment.

 

I find the song disgusting and very poor taste. If I'm the PR person for the LAPD um having nightmares.

 

But at the end of the day there was no criminal act and proving prior knowledge by any officer of the lyrics before they were performed will be almost impossible.

 

While embarrassing and disgusting this is a non issue in the grand scheme of things and will be buried.

 

 

Trust me, I agree with lots of what you are saying. Politics can be messy sometimes though and unions pick their battles as well too though.

 

I know that if I'm someone with a previous screw-up or just someone that one of the bosses has it out for, I know I'm on thin ice right now too.

 

If I'm hosting an event for a charity organization that I'm going to put my name on (and that's what this was), then I'm going to be damn sure that when I hire the entertainment, I ask to see a set list and we go over any objectionable material.

 

Maybe that happened here, maybe it didn't, but if you are going to run an organization and hold yourself out asking for donations and doing fundraisers, it's your own fault when the damage comes to your image if you, as the host of said event that you are putting your name on, don't do some preliminary work like that and then some goof gets up and screws up, it gets out, and your image is smeared.

 

I'd assume he knew. I wasn't talking about the guy that put it on.

I'd assume he knew. I wasn't talking about the guy that put it on.

 

Gotcha. I really don't know if he did or not when it comes down to it, but if I had to guess, then I'd say he did as well. Either way, if he didn't know, then it's something where he messed up by not going over it to begin with (which wouldn't be nearly as bad to me).

 

I know if I were an officer and I was there, even if I knew there was nothing they could hit me with for being there, I'd be sure to always be to work on time and to lay low for awhile until things blew over because rocking the boat by winding up in the news usually isn't great career-wise.

And that's not what I said. I'm saying that they didn't have to be up there singing or to have had to be proven to know about it in advance to find themselves in hot water. Let politics get involved and see the reasons the department might come up with to discipline someone they've had on the "bad list" for awhile.

 

Nope, after party for a charity golf event. No discipline unless they participated. Nada. Union would love them to try.

Nope, after party for a charity golf event. No discipline unless they participated. Nada. Union would love them to try.

 

If you say so... maybe you know something about employment law that I don't.

If you say so... maybe you know something about employment law that I don't.

 

Maybe so.

If you say so... maybe you know something about employment law that I don't.

 

Union workers aren't at will workers they are under union contract. You are correct if it were a regular at will employee you could get fired for embarrassing the company.

 

But as a cop there are rules and procedures in place on dismissal and no union rep worth a grain of salt is going to let a cop lose a job over this . Not a chance.

 

I bash unions a lot but I do know what they do well and not a chance anything comes of this .

Union workers aren't at will workers they are under union contract. You are correct if it were a regular at will employee you could get fired for embarrassing the company.

 

But as a cop there are rules and procedures in place on dismissal and no union rep worth a grain of salt is going to let a cop lose a job over this . Not a chance.

 

I bash unions a lot but I do know what they do well and not a chance anything comes of this .

 

This would be a pretty easy one for me to protect.