If I'm hosting an event for a charity organization that I'm going to put my name on (and that's what this was), then I'm going to be damn sure that when I hire the entertainment, I ask to see a set list and we go over any objectionable material.

 

Maybe that happened here, maybe it didn't, but if you are going to run an organization and hold yourself out asking for donations and doing fundraisers, it's your own fault when the damage comes to your image if you, as the host of said event that you are putting your name on, don't do some preliminary work like that and then some goof gets up and screws up, it gets out, and your image is smeared.

You have no clue about this. I used to play in several bands and I also played at police christmas

party with my band in the past and I can assure you that not one time did they ask me

for the set list.

 

If you attended that party you would have nothing to worry about when it came to what the band played.

You have no clue about this. I used to play in several bands and I also played at police christmas

party with my band in the past and I can assure you that not one time did they ask me

for the set list.

 

If you attended that party you would have nothing to worry about when it came to what the band played.

 

 

Ok, and just because they didn't ask you doesn't mean it's good practice to do so, especially when it comes to saving potential embarrassment.

 

If I'm putting my name on an event and giving someone a microphone, you can bet that I want to know the gist of what they'll be saying/doing.

Union workers aren't at will workers they are under union contract. You are correct if it were a regular at will employee you could get fired for embarrassing the company.

 

But as a cop there are rules and procedures in place on dismissal and no union rep worth a grain of salt is going to let a cop lose a job over this . Not a chance.

 

I bash unions a lot but I do know what they do well and not a chance anything comes of this .

 

 

I understand. I was just saying that there are probably things that they can find that will eventually take the fight out of the Union, especially if there's been a pattern of behavior. Unions can only do so much and their power only goes so far. I agree that they are much more difficult to work around and all of that though.

 

If you were an officer at the party and you had a complaint outstanding where you stood accused in a racial incident, you've lied to investigators about going to the party, and/or there's just someone above you who wants you gone, then you might be in some real trouble.

Also, to append to the above: firing isn't necessarily the only form of discipline.

Too much drama.

I understand. I was just saying that there are probably things that they can find that will eventually take the fight out of the Union, especially if there's been a pattern of behavior. Unions can only do so much and their power only goes so far. I agree that they are much more difficult to work around and all of that though.

 

If you were an officer at the party and you had a complaint outstanding where you stood accused in a racial incident, you've lied to investigators about going to the party, and/or there's just someone above you who wants you gone, then you might be in some real trouble.

 

I know you are in law school but have you ever worked for a company that has a union? I'm sorry man you are wrong. This will end up being a non issue for individuals. A black eye for the PR of the LAPD but this isn't a punishable offense.

Also, to append to the above: firing isn't necessarily the only form of discipline.

 

Truth. There are so many ways to 'discipline' people within the rules. Especially when there is struggle held. I see it all to the time and you can't prove someone has a grudge or that they are 'picking on you' when they use policy to 'discipline' you.

 

This is a truthful post that you just wrote. Word up.

I know you are in law school but have you ever worked for a company that has a union? I'm sorry man you are wrong. This will end up being a non issue for individuals. A black eye for the PR of the LAPD but this isn't a punishable offense.

 

This issue will but folks who were known to be at that album release party could end up under the watchful eye of someone who has it in for them and something down the road could happen like possibly not filling out some paperwork properly that could get them disciplined. If it happens too many times then you have grounds for stronger discipline.

 

That's how you fire someone legally and without worry of losing in the grievance process. See it all the time.

I know you are in law school but have you ever worked for a company that has a union? I'm sorry man you are wrong. This will end up being a non issue for individuals. A black eye for the PR of the LAPD but this isn't a punishable offense.

 

 

To my work experience, yes, and it was a Fortune 500 company (but I was asked, so I hope everyone doesn't go calling me a jerk this time for talking about work experience or me being full of myself [though I love me some me... but who doesn't?]).

 

Maybe a better way to think of it is to read between the lines in some of my earlier responses and to keep in mind what PP92 has said.

 

Those who've had an active role in this specific incident have embarrassed the department, and I can assure you that there are people who don't take kindly to that, especially with the Ezell Ford (the mentally challenged, unarmed black male who was recently shot and killed by the LAPD).

 

Powerful as the Union may be, there are repercussions for transgressions, especially when you throw politics and all of that into the equation (and I think it's fair to say that police politics can be just as nasty as, if not worse than, any other kind). If nothing else, do you not see how this incident could be leverage for the Ford's case in seeking a settlement? How do you think the LAPD's policy underwriters are going to take that, because I don't see them saying, "eh, was an honest mistake and I personally thought the video was funny, so we'll pick up the tab on this one for you and it will have no effect on your rates going forward.

 

 

I have a rule at work, and it's like this: "don't be that guy".

 

When you bring the department into the spotlight like that, then people start doing a cost-benefit analysis of you and how you factor into the equation as a liability. When someone decides to make it their business to ensure that your life at work is living hell, then you might be a short timer.

 

 

If nothing else, then if police unions are getting people off left and right on this kind of stuff with no repercussions st all, then I'm owed at least some acknowledgment on things I've said in the past that I've been blasted on where this acts as an acknowledgement wherein it essentially means that unions are powerful enough to keep people in positions of authority where average civilians in the workforce would have been fired by the end of the workday.

I'm im missing something here.

 

For Joker, how actually is this punishable at all? Seriously, how

would listening to a

band play a song have any recourse at all. You are living in an unrealistic world my friend.

 

Who cares what they sang? What law exactly did they break or

the band themselves break?

 

i think you all are getting so worked up over nothing.

 

there was no law or rules broken at all. Also for you to think because nothing is going to happen is proof that unions have so much power that people of power are kept out of

trouble is just stupid to say because they shouldn't be in trouble in the first place.

I'm im missing something here.

 

For Joker, how actually is this punishable at all? Seriously, how

would listening to a

band play a song have any recourse at all. You are living in an unrealistic world my friend.

 

Who cares what they sang? What law exactly did they break or

the band themselves break?

 

i think you all are getting so worked up over nothing.

 

there was no law or rules broken at all. Also for you to think because nothing is going to happen is proof that unions have so much power that people of power are kept out of

trouble is just stupid to say because they shouldn't be in trouble in the first place.

 

We're speaking different languages.

We're speaking different languages.

Apparently we are. You are under the assumption that being at a place where a song you didn't like should be punishable

while i know for a fact there is nothing punishable

by being there.

To my work experience, yes, and it was a Fortune 500 company (but I was asked, so I hope everyone doesn't go calling me a jerk this time for talking about work experience or me being full of myself [though I love me some me... but who doesn't?]).

 

Maybe a better way to think of it is to read between the lines in some of my earlier responses and to keep in mind what PP92 has said.

 

Those who've had an active role in this specific incident have embarrassed the department, and I can assure you that there are people who don't take kindly to that, especially with the Ezell Ford (the mentally challenged, unarmed black male who was recently shot and killed by the LAPD).

 

Powerful as the Union may be, there are repercussions for transgressions, especially when you throw politics and all of that into the equation (and I think it's fair to say that police politics can be just as nasty as, if not worse than, any other kind). If nothing else, do you not see how this incident could be leverage for the Ford's case in seeking a settlement? How do you think the LAPD's policy underwriters are going to take that, because I don't see them saying, "eh, was an honest mistake and I personally thought the video was funny, so we'll pick up the tab on this one for you and it will have no effect on your rates going forward.

 

 

I have a rule at work, and it's like this: "don't be that guy".

 

When you bring the department into the spotlight like that, then people start doing a cost-benefit analysis of you and how you factor into the equation as a liability. When someone decides to make it their business to ensure that your life at work is living hell, then you might be a short timer.

 

 

If nothing else, then if police unions are getting people off left and right on this kind of stuff with no repercussions st all, then I'm owed at least some acknowledgment on things I've said in the past that I've been blasted on where this acts as an acknowledgement wherein it essentially means that unions are powerful enough to keep people in positions of authority where average civilians in the workforce would have been fired by the end of the workday.

 

I just think your trying to create a bigger issue than it is. Polive have to tell the public they are investigating because the song was disgusting and it was a PR nightmare. But I'm guessing they also know it's downright impossible to prove intent or prove how many active officers were there.

I just think your trying to create a bigger issue than it is. Polive have to tell the public they are investigating because the song was disgusting and it was a PR nightmare. But I'm guessing they also know it's downright impossible to prove intent or prove how many active officers were there.

 

See Post #113. If they want someone gone, they'll be gone-- maybe not tomorrow, but the rest of the time they spend there may make them wish they were. When you make yourself a liability at work, things like that are prone to happening.

This deserves it's own thread but I can't create a new threadbon this mobile. But two officers in L.A. were shot at this morning, I believe while they were sitting in their car.