December 15, 201411 yr Thank you counselor. You seem very familiar with Texas Law and seem to know all about the Trusts that people have used as loopholes. I don't know what I'm talking about I guess, but please, carry on. How to Buy a Silencer Buying A Suppressor/Silencer Buying Options for TX Residents I am told in many parts of Europe buying suppressors is about that easy. You can also buy off the shelf without stamps and other unneeded processes. They really don't silence so that is an incorrect term to call them silencers. The one I was standing next to while suppressed was suppressed enough to not cause hearing damage but still pretty loud, loud enough that I put my ear muffs back on to focus on my practicing for accuracy. My guess is these nations which allow them don't have the illogical view of suppressors like many Americans have of them that they are tools of assassins. I guess Europeans don't believe everything TV tells them like many in this country do.
December 15, 201411 yr The NRA would still make sure suae had a gun in her hand if she wanted one. It is just too bad that her hatband and step daughter were not armed. In Texas, you have to arm , because every nut out there sure as hell has!That's just a ridiculous statement.
December 15, 201411 yr I don't see anything in the article that says she was mentally ill. The fact that she drove herself to the facility doesn't mean she is sick. It could mean she was looking for a defense.The act alone sounds unstable. One of her profile pictures reads, "Sometimes, removing some people out of your life makes room for better people." She posts something like that and then kills her husband and stepdaughter. Sounds perfectly sane to me....
December 15, 201411 yr The act alone sounds unstable. One of her profile pictures reads, "Sometimes, removing some people out of your life makes room for better people." She posts something like that and then kills her husband and stepdaughter. Sounds perfectly sane to me.... Putting it on facebook, taking her children to school and then carrying it out gives no indication that she was insane. It shows organization and planning. Driving herself to the hospital also shows organization. Most people with a significant amount of mental illness are not well organized. Mental illness generally begins in yout late teens to early 20's. Was there ever a sign before this? She may have a personality disorder, but that also does not mean she is insane.
December 15, 201411 yr Putting it on facebook, taking her children to school and then carrying it out gives no indication that she was insane. It shows organization and planning. Driving herself to the hospital also shows organization. Most people with a significant amount of mental illness are not well organized. Mental illness generally begins in yout late teens to early 20's. Was there ever a sign before this? She may have a personality disorder, but that also does not mean she is insane. Huge difference between the two.
December 15, 201411 yr Most people with a significant amount of mental illness are not well organized Ever talk to a sociopath? I know of one who also has OCD, the most organized person that I know.
December 15, 201411 yr The act alone sounds unstable. One of her profile pictures reads, "Sometimes, removing some people out of your life makes room for better people." She posts something like that and then kills her husband and stepdaughter. Sounds perfectly sane to me.... When combined with this murder, then that comment could very well sound associated. I've on many occasions shuffled the idea of who belongs in my life, and who doesn't depending on whether they're a positive or negative influence on me. Minus a murder in this situation, I can completely understand that comment, but not to the extreme of removing someone from my life by killing them. I'm assuming that we all can relate to letting negative people fade from our lives with the hopes of surrounding ourselves with people that can help enhance it. We can't say if she originally said that in the state of mind any of us might've said it, or that something was already brewing within her to start getting trigger happy. I've pondered average citizens having guns from every angle that I possibly can. I get that we should have the right to protect ourselves. I get that we don't want to live in a world where only criminals have guns. I cannot say with complete certainty what the solution is because I also see the dangers of guns becoming so commonplace with everyday people, and kids growing up in an environment that promotes it as commonplace. In a perfect world, everyday citizens will be responsible about owning guns, as well as teaching their children proper gun responsibility, but sadly this is not a perfect world. When gun rights advocates speak their minds, I'd be more inclined to listen if they can within their stance also show that they've explored the topic thoroughly enough to at least include some admittance to some of the concerns and potential dangers. If not, then I've not the faith that they've truly analyzed it thoroughly like they've claimed to. If it's just all "My rights first" with no room for a complete rational discussion, then I'm not so certain that they're open minded enough on the topic to be taken seriously. If they are constantly top heavy with one stance to promote their cause, while constantly ignoring other valid angles and concerns simply because it doesn't help their cause, then I find it hard to buy their whole platform as truly being concrete and well thought out. I'm not saying that they have negative intent, and they could very well be upstanding law abiding citizens, but a one sided no room for a rational discussion approach makes it difficult for me to whole heartedly join their camp. A couple things that stick out with me on this topic is that there is no real fool proof solid solution, and that there are various angles from which to examine it. If whoever I'm exploring this topic with can start from there, then I'd be more inclined to explore it further with them in a sound and rational, all inclusive way.
December 15, 201411 yr "Sometimes' date=' removing some people out of your life makes room for better people." [/quote'] And a sane person would know that by posting such a comment then actually removing people from their life by murdering them, that they won't get away with it.
December 15, 201411 yr And a sane person would know that by posting such a comment then actually removing people from their life by murdering them, that they won't get away with it. If an everyday sane person were to comment that they don't have room in their life anymore for negative people, should we instantly think that they're going to start killing off people they don't care to associate with anymore? Of course this woman made her "removing some people" comment, and then actually did, but we don't know when she said it that she actually had murder in mind, and then when she actually did commit murder we don't know if it was from insanity, or temporary insanity from the drama of her divorce. There are things we don't know and can't assume. Adding her comment to the whole big picture is indicating that there were signs in advance. If anyone were to say what she said should we conclude they have murder in mind?
December 15, 201411 yr If an everyday sane person were to comment that they don't have room in their life anymore for negative people, should we instantly think that they're going to start killing off people they don't care to associate with anymore? Of course this woman made her "removing some people" comment, and then actually did, but we don't know when she said it that she actually had murder in mind, and then when she actually did commit murder we don't know if it was from insanity, or temporary insanity from the drama of her divorce. There are things we don't know and can't assume. Adding her comment to the whole big picture is indicating that there were signs in advance. If anyone were to say what she said should we conclude they have murder in mind? My point, she made the comment, then went it and eliminated people from her lives, you can add those two up and come up with not being stable. Non one mentioned anything about an ordinary sane person just being tired of some people and then not doing anything. Yes, there would have been signs in advance, but we font know her and didn't see any signs. But I can guarantee that there were other signs. Such as, if someone says "I hate my life", "I wish I were dead", alone they may just be venting, or being tired of things or people, but if there are other things that you can look at that may make you think "hey, there may be some sincerity to their comment", then you will have to take it as more than a joke or normal frustration.
December 15, 201411 yr Ever talk to a sociopath? I know of one who also has OCD, the most organized person that I know. I have interviewed many sociopaths in my years working in psychiatry. Sociopaths know right from wrong, they just don't care. Mentally ill people may kill someone out of paranoia, because the voices tell them to, or they are so manic they are out of control. In none of those cases can they be so calculating. Most mentally ill people are harmless. Some are violent and definitely should not have access to weapons. As I said before, no where in the article did it say she was mentally ill, and her actions don't indicate that she is. Being a sociopath does not make you mentally ill, it makes you a criminal.
December 15, 201411 yr Then you will know that a sociopath has a mental disorder. I didn't say that all sociopaths are going to go out and kill someone. About 18 months ago I had to take some executive protection courses that dealt with being able to spot people who may be a threat to your protectee/principle, one course was on sociopaths, being around this friend all the time while studying these courses was a great help, I learned a lot with this person being around at the same time I was taking these courses. My point is, we all don't know all that was going on with this lady and /or her family. But I'm sure there may have been signs, signs that I know you would have a chance to figure out, and to a little lesser extent I would have a chance too. We just see too many times, after a horrible event, that there were signs and no one did anything about it.
December 16, 201411 yr Normally, a sociopath is not likely to be a problem to the law in later life, but rather will seek to find loopholes, to rise to a position of power, or to move to another area so that their behavior is tolerated. The fact that she committed murder may have zero to do with being a sociopath and everything to do with being mentally ill.
December 16, 201411 yr http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/antisocial-personality-disorder/basics/definition/con-20027920 A few key things: 1) "A chronic mental condition". 2) "They may often violate the law, landing in frequent trouble." I agree that being a sociopath doesn't mean that is the sole reason that someone who has that mental condition commits a murder. But it was mentioned on here a few days ago about people with mental illness not being organized. Sociopaths can be very organized.
December 16, 201411 yr Antisocial personality disorder Definition - Diseases and Conditions - Mayo Clinic A few key things: 1) "A chronic mental condition". 2) "They may often violate the law, landing in frequent trouble." I agree that being a sociopath doesn't mean that is the sole reason that someone who has that mental condition commits a murder. But it was mentioned on here a few days ago about people with mental illness not being organized. Sociopaths can be very organized. Sociopaths are classified as having personality disorders. They are usually very intelligent with no regard to right or wrong. They don't care about most other people. They can't be helped with medication. Mental illness is a result of chemical imbalances of the brain. They can often be helped with medication. There is a distinct difference between a diagnosis of mental illness and a personality disorder. They are even classified differently in ICD coding for diagnostic purposes. When we evaluate patients there is a section for psychiatric diagnosis and a separate section for personality disorders. They are not the same thing. Everyone wants to think that people who commit these awful crimes must be insane because most of us think you would have to be. The fact is, there are some soulless people out there who commit horrible crimes because they are horrible people. I apologize for not letting this go. I work in mental health and I know the difference. The word "insane" is used too often to explain many of the tragic things that happen. It makes those who are mentally ill ashamed and gives mental illness it's ever present stigma. Sometimes mentall illness is a factor in crimes, sometimes it is not. Truly mentally ill people are not that organized. I have seen one or two cases where they are both mentally ill and a sociopath. These people were very violent, but don't have the self control to be calculating. I don't read anything in the news to indicate she is mentally ill. Conversely, I have taken care of many sociopaths who are trying to hide behind mental illness to get around the law. It never works. When we see them, we sent them jail where they belong. Obviously this is a sensitive subject because I am a mental health advocate. I don't like seeing an already existing social stigma worsened by throwing the word sociopath in. They are two different pots of stew. I hope this woman gets what is coming to her.
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