It is my understanding that this is exactly what happened to Murray Friday night except there was more game time left. Also I do not know if the rule is the same here but I assume both are using Fed rules so they would be the same most likely

 

 

Poor Murray always gets caught up in crazy calls, this - Bw 94

 

I want to thank Ref Joey Brewer for making the right call.

You need situational awareness as an official. In this case short of a coach giving me a forearm shiver I am not calling the sideline infraction

 

I will disagree, coaches need to be where they are supposed to be at the snap of the ball and during the play. This isn't some new thing, its been an emphasis point for the last 5 years or so. Im sure this official told this coach and the staff to get behind the line multiple times during the game. Furthermore, once a team has been given a sideline warning, its an auto flag if there are any other "interferences" by the sideline.

 

Call was correct, penalty was misapplied. I agree you open a huge case of worms if you allow the game to be replayed.

I've looked at the tape about 7 times now. This is ALL on the official IMO. He throws the flag at the 36 yard line, right after going by a coach (not sure if he is the head coach) at about the 40. The coach was NOT on the field, just outside it. There is another coach or member of the staff (wearing all black that IS on the field but he is behind the ref and there is no way the ref can see him and he is not interfering with anything. There has to be something to do with the history of this coach.

 

Total injustice for two reasons...(1) that it was called at all and (2) that it was misapplied. The refs should be suspended or fired for this. This one is really bad...

 

Here is the issue, the coach is by rule to be 3 feet from the field. He definitely was not, nor was the coach that was about 10 yards in front of the ref, nor was the guy in black that runs onto the field to run down the sideline.

 

Ref made the right call.

You need situational awareness as an official. In this case short of a coach giving me a forearm shiver I am not calling the sideline infraction

 

You should absolutely throw the flag, but you should enforce the rule correctly. This happened to us a couple of years ago. We were in the process of running a punt back for a touchdown when our head coach and the official ran into each other on the side line. The touchdown was allowed and the penalty was enforced on the kick. If it's a penalty in the 1st quarter, it should be a penalty in the 4th quarter. Why have rules if they aren't going to be followed consistently?

It sounds to me like the flag may have been legitimate but the administration of the penalty is what the officials screwed up. I'm sure the Douglass coach would have been okay with the penalty had it been correctly administered on the extra point or kickoff and the play stood. As an official, you must know the rules. You would think that officials that are assigned playoff games are the best of the bunch.

 

Anyone that was at the Raceland/Williamsburg semi-final game knows this isn't true. I've seen some pretty bad officials, but they were definitely in the top 5!

Ha ha they can still cry all they want after 20 years it still won't change the outcome.

First, he was taking about Murray's game last week, the EXACT same thing happened.

 

Second, this is not even in the same universe on plays/rules/ect as 94.

I admit I don't know the exact rule. Does the rule say a team's players and coaches have to just be off the field or off it by some distance, say a yard or two? Any officials out there know? If it just says you have to be off the field of play, look at the tape and go to the 1:45 time or so. Tell me where a player or coach violated the rule (except the guy wearing all black) who was behind the official - no way the official saw him.

 

I sure hope nothing like this happens Friday or Saturday in BG...this was REALLY BAD...should not have been called and they obviously screwed up the administering of it...

 

It happened last year in the state 6A finals Scott co clearly fumbled the ball and Meade clearly recovered it and scored a TD giving Meade the lead 21-14 with about 2 minutes to go. One ref ruled the runner down. The problem was it was the pulling guard that was down not the runner. The ref got confused. KHSAA admited the mistake..but Scott Co still got the ring...

Here is the issue, the coach is by rule to be 3 feet from the field. He definitely was not, nor was the coach that was about 10 yards in front of the ref, nor was the guy in black that runs onto the field to run down the sideline.

 

Ref made the right call.

 

I won't argue that the call was technically correct then. I will say that you could call that penalty on 75% (or more) of touchdowns scored then based on what happened on that sideline. No way that is called normally unless there is "more to the story". The coach has a reputation and my guess the ref wanted to stick it to him.

 

And messing up the application of the penalty is as bad as it gets in that situation.

As a couple of others have said, I believe that as bad as it is for the kids that nothing could be done about it after the fact. Everyone at every level screwed up. Everyone but the kids and they are what h.s. football is supposed to and/or should be all about. I don't think that replaying the game over a single call would be an option. The officials that were calling the game obviously mis interpreted the rule on the penalty by wiping out the TD. Should have been the 5yd mark off on the extra point try or following kickoff.

 

On a side note, at the end of the game if I am calling it - in a game w/l situation, it seemed that the man running the ball gained no advantage from the sideline...... I don't throw the flag. Let the players / kids decide it, not on a referees call.

I won't argue that the call was technically correct then. I will say that you could call that penalty on 75% (or more) of touchdowns scored then based on what happened on that sideline. No way that is called normally unless there is "more to the story". The coach has a reputation and my guess the ref wanted to stick it to him.

 

And messing up the application of the penalty is as bad as it gets in that situation.

 

:thumb: Exactly what I was trying to say in my post above. Let the kids / players decide the game bc in this case it seems that the official won or lost the game, depending on which team you're on.

The official, by letter of the law was correct in his call and wrong in the enforcement...

 

BUT...

The official failed in his DUTY...twice...

 

(1) His job is to officiate the GAME first and handle the game environment as a secondary part of his duties, only becoming his primary duty if the actual safety of himself, the players, or the general attendance is in danger. He allowed an inconsequential game environment aspect change the outcome of what happened on the field. He based his judgment of the execution of his duties on the wrong object of emphasis of his job.

 

....and I don't blame him. I HATE the silly sideline overkill that the NFHS has instituted. I've been around football and high school sidelines for over 20 years and have seen ONE actual collision of significant impact between an official and a coach. Why in the heck has the NFHS elected to turn such attention away from the field and onto the sideline? It's just plain silly and leads me to say that this penalty is a failing of the NFHS as well as this offical.

 

and (2), it is the duty of the officials to know their rules. If you're a guy who's touchy about sideline space, then you have an obligation to know the exact in's and out's of that aspect of your job. This is similar to a cop who hates people who speed but who doesn't know what the fines for speeding are.

First, he was taking about Murray's game last week, the EXACT same thing happened.

 

Second, this is not even in the same universe on plays/rules/ect as 94.

 

First of all I didn't know they had another play like that happen to them.

 

Second I figured they were talking about the 94 game.

First, he was taking about Murray's game last week, the EXACT same thing happened.

 

Second, this is not even in the same universe on plays/rules/ect as 94.

 

Do you have a copy of the 84 state game?

It happened last year in the state 6A finals Scott co clearly fumbled the ball and Meade clearly recovered it and scored a TD giving Meade the lead 21-14 with about 2 minutes to go. One ref ruled the runner down. The problem was it was the pulling guard that was down not the runner. The ref got confused. KHSAA admited the mistake..but Scott Co still got the ring...

 

The situation that you explained was an error in judgment. That happens and you have to remember that refs are human and that they can only call what they think they see.

The Oklahoma situation is an error in enforcement of a rule. There is no judgment to be made. You know the rule or you don't.....and if you don't know the rules then don't be a ref.

First, he was taking about Murray's game last week, the EXACT same thing happened.

 

Second, this is not even in the same universe on plays/rules/ect as 94.

 

Thanks let me know how or when you get it.