But conservatives argue that failing to prosecute is not the same as legalizing, the further step that the president would be taking by issuing work permits.

 

But this is incorrect. Until Congress actually passes a law issuing permanent residency, nothing that Obama is suggesting would prevent future presidents from stripping these folks of their temporary status and deporting them. So an executive action falls short of “legalization” or “amnesty.”

 

 

So you guys that tell me it's unconstitutional are at odds with at least some Republican, conservative legal scholars. You'll pardon me if I sort of think it's not quite the absolute that you're trying to sell.

 

He's a Muslim, though. So there's that.

Again, this President is only doing what Congress refuses to do. The Health Care System was broken and he got something out there, although not near perfect, but at least something to adjust and adapt. The same with an Immigration System that is broken by everyone's admission. Get something out there and let's adjust.

 

Kudos to the President!

But conservatives argue that failing to prosecute is not the same as legalizing, the further step that the president would be taking by issuing work permits.

 

But this is incorrect. Until Congress actually passes a law issuing permanent residency, nothing that Obama is suggesting would prevent future presidents from stripping these folks of their temporary status and deporting them. So an executive action falls short of “legalization” or “amnesty.”

 

 

So you guys that tell me it's unconstitutional are at odds with at least some Republican, conservative legal scholars. You'll pardon me if I sort of think it's not quite the absolute that you're trying to sell.

 

He's redefining a new class of citizen.

Again, this President is only doing what Congress refuses to do. The Health Care System was broken and he got something out there, although not near perfect, but at least something to adjust and adapt. The same with an Immigration System that is broken by everyone's admission. Get something out there and let's adjust.

 

Kudos to the President!

 

We have a system in place for a reason. Because congress fails to take action the president wants does not give him free reign to abuse his power.

 

The end never justifies the means in politics.

We have a system in place for a reason. Because congress fails to take action the president wants does not give him free reign to abuse his power.

 

The end never justifies the means in politics.

 

And the EO is a power within that system. We will never agree on this, such is life.

And the EO is a power within that system. We will never agree on this, such is life.

 

I hope we can agree this move just ended any hope of anything getting done the next two years. Republicans are going to control the purse as is their right and we are going to see some historic political battles.

 

I would of hoped he would of at least waited for a new congress to negotiate. This just cements my belief Obama doesn't understand what a leader is or should be

And the EO is a power within that system. We will never agree on this, such is life.

 

Again we can agree disagree. But I just don't understand the concept of an EO creating new law. Creating a new class of citizen to me is new law.

Jonathon Turley , constutional law expert from Georgetown U and and largely a democrat supporter is no fan of this move , and neither is Jay Sekelow a supporter of this move , lastly even if it is questionably legal it's a terrible terrible political move . Unless you are an illegal immigrant .

 

I did think the speech was pretty comical in the way that ol Barry made it sound like every immigrant was a doctor lawyer or preacher . He made it sound like America just couldn't survive without these immigrants .

Turley said this move puts the country at a " constitutional tipping point "

And the EO is a power within that system. We will never agree on this, such is life.

 

Actually there is no legal definition of an executive order.

 

Executive order - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

United States Presidents issue executive orders to help officers and agencies of the executive branch manage the operations within the federal government itself. Executive orders have the full force of law^[1] when they take authority from a power granted directly to the Executive by the Constitution, or are made in pursuance of certain Acts of Congress that explicitly delegate to the President some degree of discretionary power (delegated legislation).

 

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There is no constitutional provision nor statute that explicitly permits executive orders.

 

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An executive order of the President must find support in the Constitution, either in a clause granting the President specific power, or by a delegation of power by Congress to the President.

 

What was done tonight was more a Presidential Proclamation since the President spent much of his time talking to an audience that was not part of his administration.

 

From link above:

 

According to political science professor Phillip J. Cooper, a presidential proclamation "states a condition, declares a law and requires obedience, recognizes an event or triggers the implementation of a law (by recognizing that the circumstances in law have been realized)"

 

 

Presidential proclamation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

A presidential proclamation is a statement issued by a president on a matter of public policy. They are generally defined as, "The act of causing some state matters to be published or made generally known. A written or printed document in which are contained such matters, issued by proper authority; as the president's proclamation, the governor's, the mayor's proclamation."

 

In the United States, the President's proclamation does not have the force of law, unless authorized by Congress.

 

Emphasis added.

 

The President tonight directly told an audience of illegal aliens that they had legal status in the US. No Constitutional power or law passed by Congress grants this authority. An EO to execute his proclamation tonight, as easily shown above, would not be legal as it would not have any basis in the Constitution or Congressional approval.

 

Article I, Section 8, Clause 4 specifies that Congress shall have the power to establish uniform rules of naturalization. The Constitution grants no such power to the Executive Branch.

 

U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325 explicitly defines the penalties of illegal entry into the US.

 

8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien

 

This law was basically nullified without Constitutional authority or without explicit legal consent of delegated authority from Congress.

 

The action has no legal basis to be acted upon.

Again we can agree disagree. But I just don't understand the concept of an EO creating new law. Creating a new class of citizen to me is new law.

 

See post above. You are correct. There is no legal basis for actions declared tonight. It is easy to show using something a simple as wikipedia. Even a Constitutional part time professor should be able to understand this.

Welcome to Meximerica, where illegals get a free ride and Screw the people who have been here all their lives legally.

So the Democratic party grew by 5 million voters yesterday? Wow.

So the Democratic party grew by 5 million voters yesterday? Wow.

 

Well actually how ever many illegals that all of a sudden become legal, will get all free benefits due to tax payers and are 18 are now Dems.

I'm the least political person you'll ever meet. That being said, the POTUS scares me. I'm not exactly sure what his agenda is, but I don't have a good feeling about it.