Average time to execute a place kick is 1.4 seconds. Average time to execute a punt is 2.0 seconds.

Average time to execute a place kick is 1.4 seconds. Average time to execute a punt is 2.0 seconds.

 

What are the high school figure of that. I can still send more than you can protect. Also lower trajectory kick.

What are the high school figure of that. I can still send more than you can protect. Also lower trajectory kick.

Yea, but I'm going to have a "fire" call throw a dump screen to a gunner and convert the fourth down, just like I'd if you lined up 10 in the box on a punt with me having four wide outs.

 

It's a proven strategy and is used all over the country. Read the link below, it has all the benefits and rules quoted.

 

John T. Reed's place-kick ‘punt’

Yea, but I'm going to have a "fire" call throw a dump screen to a gunner and convert the fourth down, just like I'd if you lined up 10 in the box on a punt with me having four wide outs.

 

It's a proven strategy and is used all over the country. Read the link below, it has all the benefits and rules quoted.

 

John T. Reed's place-kick ‘punt’

 

Cover all gunners and have no return man. There's always two you can't account for. I like man coverage with two free, unblocked guys in that situation.

No one is going to leave someone uncovered. But with your holder and kicker and potentially LS there are people you can't block.

 

9 on 7. 7 on 5. Doesn't matter. Need that wider edge to protect on PATs and FG.

I played in a JV game in high school where the team we were playing had a 4th and 40-something. It could have been more than that had the field position been different...they had two offensive penalties in a row that moved them back half the distance to the goal line.

If I'm not mistaken, there was a coach that wrote a book, or advocated "never punting in high school football", and the basis for his position was attempting field goals instead of punting and going for it on 4th down after you reached a certain position on the field because the 4th down conversion rate for high school was so good.

 

Back when I had the time to read the 20,000,000-word TMQ column, he would always talk about this guy's team's exploits and the success they had eschewing the punt.

We discussed this at the SK NCC game friday. Not sure why teams with not so good punting, don't try more field goals from the 50 if they have a kick of kicker. once the ball crosses the goal line, it's a dead ball, can't be returned. Team gets the ball at the 20 if not a good kick.

 

Can make a big difference in field position.

I converted on a 4th and 88 in Super Tecmo Bowl once when I was 13.

Average time to execute a place kick is 1.4 seconds. Average time to execute a punt is 2.0 seconds.

 

 

Of course your punter is 13-15 yards back and a field goal is typically attempted 7 yards deep, so I would think that extra 7-8 the defense has to travel to block the punt yards negates the longer time to execute. You could always move the holder and kicker back a few yards, but that would make the snap more difficult to make. A placekick snap has to be much more accurate, as anything off target throws the timing off and makes the kick harder to get off. You have a lot more leeway to still be able to get a punt off with a punt snap that is not on target.

 

It's also tougher to cover a field goal downfield than a punt. With a punt, in high school, players can release on the snap right away. With a field goal attempt, you've got to stay engaged with your block longer, preventing you from releasing as quickly and getting downfield in coverage. You've also got less hang time which makes them even more difficult to cover. Field goals also come from tighter formations, which somewhat hampers your ability to cover the sidelines.

 

All that being said, it still does make sense to attempt field goals in the other teams territory from say the 40 yard line to the 25 yard line, especially on 4th and long if you have a competent snapper and a kicker who can get the ball into the endzone.

Back when I had the time to read the 20,000,000-word TMQ column, he would always talk about this guy's team's exploits and the success they had eschewing the punt.

He wrote several books, I read two of them. He is a Princeton graduate if I recall correctly and a pretty smart guy. His book on time management should be a must read for high school coaches. I used it when I coached in JFL along with his recommendation for no huddle offense in youth football. We almost doubled our number of offensive plays and rarely lost a game. Other youth coaches told me I could never run an effective no huddle offense with youth players, we not only did run a no huddle but we did it very effectively stopping opposing teams from changing defenses. We would have four or five possessions and opposing teams would only have two or three utilizing his time management and no huddle recommendations. I got cussed a lot by opposing coaches, but my players go more reps and became better players and was proven at the high school level years later.

It's also tougher to cover a field goal downfield than a punt. With a punt, in high school, players can release on the snap right away. With a field goal attempt, you've got to stay engaged with your block longer, preventing you from releasing as quickly and getting downfield in coverage. You've also got less hang time which makes them even more difficult to cover. Field goals also come from tighter formations, which somewhat hampers your ability to cover the sidelines.

To fully understand this strategy you have to look at it differently then a "field goal" attempt, it is a scrimmage kick and it takes less time to place kick then it does to punt so the release time is a non-factor.

 

Like I said before, it's a proven strategy and done all over the country, I didn't invent it, it's been done a lot.

To fully understand this strategy you have to look at it differently then a "field goal" attempt, it is a scrimmage kick and it takes less time to place kick then it does to punt so the release time is a non-factor.

 

Like I said before, it's a proven strategy and done all over the country, I didn't invent it, it's been done a lot.

 

I understand it's not technically a field goal, it's a scrimmage kick. And I do agree it makes some sense in certain situations, and if you have a solid kicker, it becomes an even better strategy. I've seen plenty of botched punts at the high school level to certainly consider it. I still think it's easier to cover a good punt. That extra .6 seconds gets your cover guys that much further down the field, and the extra distance the defense has to travel to block the kick makes a punt just a difficult to block. The biggest issue I have is the bad snap. A bad snap on a scrimmage kick makes it almost certain you don't get the kick off. Even bad snaps on punts still allow you to get the punt off.

 

It's certainly something to think about though.

Reed's clock management book is good. Past that his other stuff is skewed. There is a little merit in some of his things but he is way off on others. His ego gets in the way.

 

I'm sure you can change the protection and do some other modifications to make it more optimal. It would take a good deal of trial and error.

Reed's clock management book is good. Past that his other stuff is skewed. There is a little merit in some of his things but he is way off on others. His ego gets in the way.

 

I'm sure you can change the protection and do some other modifications to make it more optimal. It would take a good deal of trial and error.

I understand. I kind of put this thoughts into three categories:

1. Yea, that would work.

2. Sounds good, but I don't know.

3. What the heck are you talking about.

 

I tried to focus on the 1's.