Jim, thanks for the response. The problem though is that I am comparing the 6th place team in the 7th region to the 1st place team in the others. I didn't even bother looking at the top teams in the 7th versus other regions, but I'll wager that margin isn't "pretty thin".

 

In the 2nd and 4th it is, because there are traditional powers there. But the bottom line is what you are showing and what most knowledgeable hoops fans acknowledge is that the 7th is always one of the best, deepest regions in the state, along with the 11th.

So once again, using the "scientific" Massey Rating System now, the 7th place team in Region 7 would be...

 

The Favorite to Win:

Region 12

Region 14

Region 15

Region 16

 

and...

 

Ranked Second in:

Region 1

Region 2

Region 3

Region 4

Region 8

Region 13

 

 

Wow! Thanks for the eye opener mcpapa!:thumb:

 

 

I know a lot of Shamrock fans are football first and/or only. You aren't just now figuring out how good the 7th is in comparison to most of the rest of the state, are you? Because most of us have known for a long time. It's the same phenomena you see in L'ville 4A FB.

So once again, using the "scientific" Massey Rating System now, the 7th place team in Region 7 would be...

 

The Favorite to Win:

Region 12

Region 14

Region 15

Region 16

 

and...

 

Ranked Second in:

Region 1

Region 2

Region 3

Region 4

Region 8

Region 13

 

 

Wow! Thanks for the eye opener mcpapa!:thumb:

 

You're welcome! I can't believe that this is news to you, though. I've heard the same complaining/mock astonishment over on some of the other boards for quite some time now with respect to cross-country and track/field; basically begging for the rules to be changed to allow more Jefferson County athletes/teams in at the expense of those from the mountains.

You're welcome! I can't believe that this is news to you, though. I've heard the same complaining/mock astonishment over on some of the other boards for quite some time now with respect to cross-country and track/field; basically begging for the rules to be changed to allow more Jefferson County athletes/teams in at the expense of those from the mountains.

...and what's your point? Are they wrong?

I know a lot of Shamrock fans are football first and/or only. You aren't just now figuring out how good the 7th is in comparison to most of the rest of the state, are you? Because most of us have known for a long time. It's the same phenomena you see in L'ville 4A FB.

Nope. I always have known the 7th is a great region, but I just didn't realize there were this many poor basketball regions in the state each and every year. I figured this year was an anamoly.

...and what's your point? Are they wrong?

 

Of course they are. The best from each region goes to the tournament, whether they're poor or not.

 

Sounds like Trinity needs to move to Inez if they're not satisfied with being sixth or seventh best in their region (just don't move to Fayette County).

 

In all seriousness, I would love to see Mason County and Trinity play again; the last one was a classic!

7th Region has 5 of the top 18 teams in the state!!!

 

Trinity, the 6th ranked team in Region 7 would be ranked accordingly in the following Regions:

 

Region 1: 1st

Region 2: 1st

Region 3: 2nd

Region 4: 1st

Region 5: 3rd

Region 6: 3rd

Region 8: 2nd

Region 9: 3rd

Region 10: 2nd

Region 11: 4th

Region 12: 1st

Region 13: 2nd

Region 14: 1st

Region 15: 1st

Region 16: 1st

 

As they say in real estate...location, location, location. The same thing happens in other sports. Male, St. X, Manual and PRP were in the same district in football!

Heres a power rating from Masseys of the top 30 districts/regions.

 

Conference Tms W L Rating Power Off Def Parity

 

1 District 42 4 66 18 1.519 26.77 77.35 7.38 0.3327

2 District 43 5 57 36 1.427 25.89 75.29 8.56 0.6684

3 District 17 5 60 24 1.279 22.36 70.31 10.01 0.3248

4 Region 11 17 149 66 1.121 19.97 71.75 6.18 0.4087

5 District 28 4 57 27 1.086 18.07 68.83 7.20 0.1713

6 District 25 4 45 36 1.073 19.20 64.98 12.18 0.2684

7 District 9 4 48 25 1.031 18.57 64.65 11.89 0.3106

8 District 27 4 42 46 1.018 19.50 66.80 10.66 0.3219

9 District 8 4 48 24 0.964 16.53 72.08 2.41 0.3278

10 District 41 4 40 32 0.902 15.74 68.16 5.54 0.5456

 

Conference Tms W L Rating Power Off Def Parity

 

11 Region 7 16 96 85 0.895 16.11 65.86 8.20 0.3041

12 District 21 5 64 36 0.825 13.69 67.27 4.37 0.3371

13 District 14 4 43 35 0.691 12.85 64.60 6.20 0.2720

14 District 4 3 33 21 0.681 12.21 59.62 10.55 0.2342

15 District 54 4 59 23 0.678 10.93 65.29 3.60 0.6926

16 District 20 4 50 28 0.627 10.09 61.16 6.89 0.6391

17 Region 5 17 100 69 0.627 10.76 62.81 5.90 0.4363

18 District 30 4 59 30 0.617 10.03 63.58 4.41 0.3274

19 District 35 5 66 19 0.612 10.27 63.96 4.27 0.3233

20 District 22 5 46 60 0.601 12.08 63.25 6.79 0.2243

 

Conference Tms W L Rating Power Off Def Parity

 

21 District 62 4 51 28 0.584 9.36 62.44 4.88 0.5147

22 District 44 4 47 41 0.558 9.99 65.31 2.64 0.2177

23 District 15 4 43 32 0.524 8.20 60.83 5.33 0.5080

24 District 64 4 46 30 0.523 9.60 65.25 2.31 0.6148

25 District 10 4 40 39 0.488 8.27 64.13 2.10 0.5081

26 District 47 4 35 39 0.480 7.98 61.78 4.15 0.6602

27 District 37 5 49 47 0.470 9.15 64.71 2.40 0.3029

28 District 36 5 47 46 0.469 8.33 62.25 4.03 0.1946

29 District 40 4 41 35 0.459 8.72 59.69 6.98 0.2341

30 District 51 4 56 30 0.430 6.85 65.16 -0.35 0.4039

Let's even the field for these poor souls by spreading Louisville into say, eight regions.

 

You play the hand you're dealt. I don't think any person would ever say that the top 16 teams make the Sweet 16. That's part of the mystique. The state is full of unfair situations. Trinity is in a loaded region. Do you suppose it's fair that team like Henry Clay is at home because they had to matchup two top 10 teams in the first round of district?

"You play the hand you're dealt."

 

My point exactly.

 

Here's a team (Trinity) that has placed as follows in the most recent KHSAA state tournaments/playoffs/meets:

 

Baseball - semifinalist

Cross Country - 2nd

Football - 1st

Golf - 7th

Soccer - quarterfinalist

Swimming - 9th

Tennis - 4th

Track & Field - 1st

Wrestling - 5th

 

And there are still folks crying about the format of the basketball Sweet 16?

Sorry, but I'm just not feeling real sympathetic.

Sorry, but I'm just not feeling real sympathetic.

Why should you? Every year, you have an easier road to the Sweet 16. There's no reason for you to be upset.

Do you suppose it's fair that team like Henry Clay is at home because they had to matchup two top 10 teams in the first round of district?

I'm sure they're very upset, and they should be. Some of these regions are a joke, as evidenced by the Lit, Cantrell and Masey ratings. I guess it's analagous to the way the NCAA used to be when only the conference champs would get a bid.

"You play the hand you're dealt."

 

My point exactly.

 

Here's a team (Trinity) that has placed as follows in the most recent KHSAA state tournaments/playoffs/meets:

 

Baseball - semifinalist

Cross Country - 2nd

Football - 1st

Golf - 7th

Soccer - quarterfinalist

Swimming - 9th

Tennis - 4th

Track & Field - 1st

Wrestling - 5th

 

And there are still folks crying about the format of the basketball Sweet 16?

Sorry, but I'm just not feeling real sympathetic.

Take Trinity out of the equation and insert any team in the 7th that finishes second through seventh. How about Fern Creek or Eastern? Or J-Town or Ballard? Or Male? How are four of those schools going to feel when they see Paintsville and Fairview in the Sweet 16?

Take Trinity out of the equation and insert any team in the 7th that finishes second through seventh. How about Fern Creek or Eastern? Or J-Town or Ballard? Or Male? How are four of those schools going to feel when they see Paintsville and Fairview in the Sweet 16?

 

Like they should have won their region so they'd have a chance to play Paintsville or Fairview.

Let's even the field for these poor souls by spreading Louisville into say, eight regions.

 

You play the hand you're dealt. I don't think any person would ever say that the top 16 teams make the Sweet 16. That's part of the mystique. The state is full of unfair situations. Trinity is in a loaded region. Do you suppose it's fair that team like Henry Clay is at home because they had to matchup two top 10 teams in the first round of district?

 

 

Can you then understand why the Louisville football teams feel relatively unsympathetic when the whole "unlevel" playing field stuff rears it's ugly head time after time after time after time....?