July 4, 201412 yr Here is the game where it happened yesterday: Blue Jays lose sole possession of first place with loss to A?s: Griffin | Toronto Star The strange challenge situation arose after the Jays loaded the bases with one out and Anthony Gose at the plate. Gose grounded to Nate Freiman at first base who swiped a tag at Kawasaki and then fired the ball home well ahead of Edwin Encarnacion. Because first-base umpire Vic Carapazza had clearly ruled no out on Kawasaki, catcher Steve Vogt did not tag the runner coming home. The result is Gibbons knew if he could win his challenge, declaring his own runner out going to second — which was clear on replays — then the run would score since there was no longer being a forceout at the plate. “We completely understand the dynamics of this because we made a call on the field that directly affected the play at the plate,” crew chief Bill Miller explained to a pool reporter after the game. “That’s what I explained to Bob. I explained to Gibbons, too, that when we went to replay, that’s what we’re going to try to solve. Replay’s a new dimension to this game and there’s going to be quirks and funny plays like this that happen. Unfortunately it happened to us.” Convoluted, stupid and in need of adjustment, this is yet another example of the infestation of bugs that need to be worked out with replay and challenges. A logical call by the umpires and the men out of New York would have been to leave the play as it was called, with the runner forced at the plate, the bases still loaded and two out. The reversal interpretation could lead to catchers making uneccesary and dangerous tags on unsuspecting runners or else runners sliding hard, fearing a challenge.
July 4, 201412 yr So you want "do overs?" Isn't that what they do in the NFL? If a call is overturned by replay, such as a fumble being ruled the player was down, then any penalites that were called as a result of the blown call are then nullified?
July 4, 201412 yr Author Isn't that what they do in the NFL? If a call is overturned by replay, such as a fumble being ruled the player was down, then any penalites that were called as a result of the blown call are then nullified? Not apples-to-apples IMO. The penalty didn't happen because the player thought the official made a certain call.
July 4, 201412 yr Author No, would that be a do over? Runner at first is now called out and runner that was called out at home is now safe...to me a do over is if they put the hitter back in the box to bat again, not correcting a missed call. My fault. Misunderstood what you were saying.
July 4, 201412 yr Not apples-to-apples IMO. The penalty didn't happen because the player thought the official made a certain call. I understand that, but I don't see how it's right to penalize a team because an umpire made an incorrect call. It's definitely a problem that needs to be addressed.
July 4, 201412 yr Not apples-to-apples IMO. The penalty didn't happen because the player thought the official made a certain call. Touchdown called back due to inadvertent whistle, not a replay call but a still a player reacting to a bad call by the official either way. Not apples to apples but similar issue.
July 7, 201412 yr What is the far more likely scenario in a WS game? Blown call at first base is reviewed and over turned to the correct call or a scenario like the one that happened in one game over the weekend?
July 7, 201412 yr Boy, the possibility of problems seems endless. Better tell your catcher to tag runner no matter what if this situation comes up again.
July 7, 201412 yr Watching this replay now and how is he not called out of the baseline at the very least? This is one convoluted situation.
July 7, 201412 yr Author Watching this replay now and how is he not called out of the baseline at the very least? This is one convoluted situation. Baseline is established at the point of the attempted tag. Has 3 feet from there.
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