What options are available in regards to the children from Central America? There seems to be a lot of news reports on this particular subject.

 

Our inability to curb the drug trade here at home has made huge portions of Central America almost unlivable. Crime is out of control and these governments have almost no ability to deal with it.

What is needed is border militarization and violation of our borders to be considered an act of war.

 

God in heaven... possibly a slight overreaction?

 

Forget Mexico... everything South of there all the way to Columbia (with rare exceptions) is basically a war zone. These kids flowing over the border... they're not migrant workers; these are refugees. The underfunded and undermanned institutions in Central America are absolutely overwhelmed and some just don't know what to do.

 

Nicaragua is a nice example of what's possible, but Honduras and El Salvador are disasters and I don't know that they have the ability to change it themselves.

 

Want to stop illegal immigration? Make Central America a tolerable place to live.

Where do you get that notion? Yes, asylum grants may be up, but so are deportations.

 

From The Economist in February:

 

America's deportation machine

 

Its common sense mostly.

 

Grants of asylum to those from Central America are supposedly to a point where you have a 4 in 5 chance of getting asylum.

 

And the deportation numbers were confirmed as highly inflated in March:

 

DHS Chief Johnson Confirms Inflation of Deportation Numbers

 

Seconds earlier, however, Johnson had conceded that “a very large fraction of that 368,000, and I don’t know the number offhand … are basically border removals, where they’re apprehended in or around the border” and are “in the country for a very short period of time.”

 

This prompted Rep John Culberson (R–Texas) to say that fraction tops 50 percent as he questioned DHS’s methods of calculating removals.

 

“Under the Obama administration, more than half of those removals that were attributed to ICE [immigration and Customs Enforcement] were actually the result of Border Patrol arrests,” Culberson said. “They wouldn’t have been counted in prior administrations.”

 

“Right,” Johnson conceded, later also noting that “apprehension levels at the border have been going down recently.”

 

 

The Economist wrote the provided propoganda. But a month later it was confirmed as false.

 

Based on the exchange above and the chart in the Economist the number of 'deportations' would be less than 200,000 by the 'old standard'. And that would be at level similar to the late 1990s and about half where it peaked under the previous administration (near 400,000 - using the 'old measurement').

Its common sense mostly.

 

Grants of asylum to those from Central America are supposedly to a point where you have a 4 in 5 chance of getting asylum.

 

And the deportation numbers were confirmed as highly inflated in March:

 

DHS Chief Johnson Confirms Inflation of Deportation Numbers

 

 

 

The Economist wrote the provided propoganda. But a month later it was confirmed as false.

 

Based on the exchange above and the chart in the Economist the number of 'deportations' would be less than 200,000 by the 'old standard'. And that would be at level similar to the late 1990s and about half where it peaked under the previous administration (near 400,000 - using the 'old measurement').

 

We still have the problem that people are risking injury and death to make the journey... sometimes on false information that as long as they cross the border, they'll be allowed to stay. While asylum numbers are jumping (and why wouldn't they, these people are fleeing a certifiable bloodbath in some of these places) they're certainly still deporting people and sending migrants back across the border when they catch them.

 

This whole thing can be traced to a two-fold disaster: the United States' failed drug and trade policies and Central America's lack of proper law enforcement institutions.

 

Even Mexico can hardly take care of itself when they're up to their elbows in cartels, to say nothing of the rest of the continent.

We still have the problem that people are risking injury and death to make the journey... sometimes on false information that as long as they cross the border, they'll be allowed to stay. While asylum numbers are jumping (and why wouldn't they, these people are fleeing a certifiable bloodbath in some of these places) they're certainly still deporting people and sending migrants back across the border when they catch them.

 

This whole thing can be traced to a two-fold disaster: the United States' failed drug and trade policies and Central America's lack of proper law enforcement institutions.

 

Even Mexico can hardly take care of itself when they're up to their elbows in cartels, to say nothing of the rest of the continent.

 

I would have no issue with the US turning everything from the Rio Grande to the Panama Canal into territories like Puerto Rico. That includes the very corrupt Mexico. But I would leave Belize and Costa Rica out. They seem to be doing fine.

I would have no issue with the US turning everything from the Rio Grande to the Panama Canal into territories like Puerto Rico. That includes the very corrupt Mexico. But I would leave Belize and Costa Rica out. They seem to be doing fine.

 

I'd throw Nicaragua in there too.

 

Honduras and El Salvador... nightmares. Honduras currently has the highest murder rate on the planet. 90.5 murders per 100,000 people. Venezuela is next with nearly half: 53.7. El Salvador and Guatemala are fifth and sixth, respectively.

 

The countries with the seven highest murder rates on the planet are in Central America, South America and the Caribbean. For a lot of those places, violence related to the drug trade seems to be a central factor.

 

To put it in a little perspective, while it's certainly higher than most of our developed, first-world counterparts, all that makes the USA's 4.8 per 100,000 seem downright respectable.

I'd throw Nicaragua in there too.

 

Honduras and El Salvador... nightmares. Honduras currently has the highest murder rate on the planet. 90.5 murders per 100,000 people. Venezuela is next with nearly half: 53.7. El Salvador and Guatemala are fifth and sixth, respectively.

 

The countries with the seven highest murder rates on the planet are in Central America, South America and the Caribbean. For a lot of those places, violence related to the drug trade seems to be a central factor.

 

To put it in a little perspective, while it's certainly higher than most of our developed, first-world counterparts, all that makes the USA's 4.8 per 100,000 seem downright respectable.

 

You seem pretty well read on Central and South America. What is it that Nicaragua, Belize and Costa Rica (and I believe Chile too) are doing correct that Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala can't figure out?

You seem pretty well read on Central and South America. What is it that Nicaragua, Belize and Costa Rica (and I believe Chile too) are doing correct that Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala can't figure out?

 

I'm not an expert by any means, but I do like to keep up with what's going on in the neighborhood. I'll give it a shot.

 

In truth, I think Costa Rica is like the United States in some ways: it's a testament to what political stability can do for a country. The country had a military coup in 1917 (that only lasted a short while) and a brief rebellion in 1948. Apart from that, it's had nearly 200 years of democracy and peace. That stability has made it ripe for foreign investment and trade and a TON of tourism. They've always been a little standoffish from what they perceive to be as their rowdy neighborhood, plagued as they have been by war and dictatorships for much of the last 200 years.

 

Belize is still pretty rough but has definitely seen violent crime fall. I know that a few years ago the national government got directly involved and managed to broker a truce between some of the larger gangs that has really made things better.

 

In the end, there is a pretty serious combination of poverty and a poor legal system. They grow up awfully poor and sometimes the cartels (like a lot of jihadist groups in the middle east) are the only source of social welfare programs. They take these people in as kids and give them steady work. When they actually get caught up in the legal system it doesn't work very well. There is a big move to proceed to an American-style adversarial proceeding to make it more fair and somewhat quicker.

 

Also a movement to reform prisons. I saw something last week that said over 90% of people in El Salvadoran prisons say they've been seriously beaten at least once by another inmate. That's a serious lack of control by the government. It serves only to make people more cruel and increasingly look to the gangs for protection.

 

I don't know how easy it will be to reproduce Nicaragua's success. Coming out of the bloody Sandinista wars, you'd expect things to still be much worse. I'm curious myself as to how it happened. In 2008 they elected former Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega to the presidency and I'm amazed the whole thing hasn't gone to heck. He seems to be doing a decent job (at least with the law and order). I do know that they were among the first in the region to completely overhaul their justice system after the fall of the Sandinistas and democracy returned. That's probably gone a long way to making the gangs less interested in the country.

I saw this segment while in a doctors office this morning.

 

At least CNN is doing some legwork and showing the 'railroad' of illegal border crossings - literally. Part of the story is that lots of people are dying and getting maimed in their efforts to illegally 'immigrate' to the US. As stated above policies on both sides of the border are driving this. Mexico authorities does not notice people stacked on top of train cars for hundreds or thousands of miles? At best, a blind eye. Maybe more of silent support. The Mexican government should be taken to task on this. Lots of people are dying.

 

Migrants' harsh journey through Mexico - CNN.com Video

 

 

The Mexican government should be taken to task on a lot.

More white house lies.. Tried to hide the spike in "family units" invading the border: White House Hid Spike Of Families Crossing Border | The Daily Caller

More white house lies.. Tried to hide the spike in "family units" invading the border: White House Hid Spike Of Families Crossing Border | The Daily Caller

 

A lot of those family units are probably like the movie the The Millers.

More white house lies.. Tried to hide the spike in "family units" invading the border: White House Hid Spike Of Families Crossing Border | The Daily Caller

The sad thing is that the establishment Republicans are too busy attacking conservatives in their own party to properly criticize our outlaw President for his willful failure to control illegal immigration in this country.

 

If the current GOP leadership remains in power and another liberal or an establishment Republican moves into the White House in 2017, this problem will get even worse.

 

Obama and his witless allies in Congress have placed this country on a path to become a banana republic (with few bananas).

 

Virginians learned yesterday that the federal government has dumped illegal aliens into at least one Virginia county. They are coming to a neighborhood near you. It is just a matter of time.