And yours is right there among them but of course you can't see it.

 

I'm sorry. I don't understand. Is discussing the fact that white males have the advantage, in general, over minorities in the work place sexist? As compared to bringing into the conversation what a woman looks like (see conversations about Hillary for example), of having threads that discuss a female who is a cheerleader "blowing the whistle" on how an organization treats cheerleaders and the discussion centers on her, um attributes?

I'm sorry. I don't understand. Is discussing the fact that white males have the advantage, in general, over minorities in the work place sexist? As compared to bringing into the conversation what a woman looks like (see conversations about Hillary for example), of having threads that discuss a female who is a cheerleader "blowing the whistle" on how an organization treats cheerleaders and the discussion centers on her, um attributes?

 

You're changing the subject. Your generalization about men was as sexist a statement as anything written on here.

Nope. Those currently in power are doing everything they can to make sure those unlike them do not reach such a privileged* position.

 

*See there how I used that?

 

I think this is a stupid and irresponsible remark. Maybe you are a white apologist, but many of us pasty-white middle aged Americans have NOTHING to apologize for and have been supportive of the changes in civil rights and support of equality, and that includes not rioting when we have been denied jobs or career paths because we did not fit a minority profile.

You're changing the subject. Your generalization about men was as sexist a statement as anything written on here.

 

No, my questions related to this shooting were why weren't we discussing the reasons the shooter stated, an the related issues. In a separate post, I began the discussion of the disparity of men vs. women in power positions. I also have another post related to white males vs minorities. Separate issues. If you feel any of the above are sexist, please...show me how.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who do bury their heads in the sand, so they don't see it.

 

But I don't believe the majority bury their heads in the sand, I just think the majority (aka most white people) just don't think about it because it doesn't affect them or their everyday lives, so they don't have to think about it.

 

Which is exactly the privilege.

 

I think this is a fair statement. As a white middle aged or so person, we do not have to worry so much in a traffic stop in the US about having our car searched (if we are over say 25) or being pulled over because of the way we look. There is no doubt in my mind that police profile, and the risk of a further search if you are black or of color is higher. My son-in-law is Columbian, and I am aware of some issues they have had in banking just because of his name. Also, we middle-aged white males were once under 25, and we were profiled by the police as well. I have seen my sons and daughter pulled over for very marginal infractions. Lastly, I travel out of the country a lot, I can assure you I do absolutely everything I can to follow the law and to be inconspicuous, because I do not want to end up in a German, French or Chinese prison because of a technical difficulty.

I think this is a stupid and irresponsible remark. Maybe you are a white apologist, but many of us pasty-white middle aged Americans have NOTHING to apologize for and have been supportive of the changes in civil rights and support of equality, and that includes not rioting when we have been denied jobs or career paths because we did not fit a minority profile.

 

Right on Doomer!!!

 

Add in the fact that being called a racist, insensitive, ignorant, and now privileged gets really old as well....Its actually a form or stereotyping, racism as well to be labeled for disagreeing or having different views.:sssh:

Can't answer #1 but on #2, maybe the male negotiated a higher salary and the female just accepted what was offered? Probably not the case in this specific scenario but I've read articles before that have pointed to this as being part of the reasons that women get paid less in similar jobs. Men are more likely to ask for a raise than women (sorry I don't have a source).

 

I do know the details of each offer and I can assure you, the male was offered without negotiation, and the female did try to negotiate because she is working 2 jobs and wanted enough to only work 1 job. She was told that she could take the offer or find new employment because they'd already replaced her in her (at the time) current position.

You are right in some ways as well rockmom, but I've seen firsthand of cases where the white male is passed over specifically because they are a white male and there needs to be more diversity. I've seen and read about young white males being declined admission to certain universities while an African-American (you could insert other minorities here) males/females are accepted in their place. And yes the white male did have better test scores and GPA. However, due to wanting to ensure a certain amount of diversity, the white male was declined.

 

I'd be willing to bet that happens quite often at universities across the country and I'm not necessarily even saying its a bad thing to provide more opportunities to minorities, even though someone else might be more deserving. So at times, it can go both ways, maybe not in most industries but there's a perfect example of how minorities are not always passed over by the white male for better opportunities.

 

Makes me think of a great movie, American History X. One of the cutback scenes when Norton (before he went Neo-Nazi) is talking about how an African-American received a promotion over his dad who was more qualified because of a diversity quota. Again, probably rare in a lot of industries, but in some others, this might happen.

 

I do understand what you're saying and know it does happen. But statistically, the numbers don't lie when white males disproportionately are in positions of power, regardless of the minority group represented. Are we to believe white males work harder than black males, black females, white females, etc, or that they work disproportionately harder than the full scope of the minority population? I just don't see it, frankly. I'm speaking from the 30,000 ft. level here, not specifically. There has been study after study related to people in power positions, as well as the pay of people in same-level/duty positions. The disparity is significant. It has narrowed, but still remains significant.

 

While what you describe unquestionably does occur, where it occurs isn't the "life time" equalizer, in my opinion. Culturally, subconscious adherence to historical norms in perception still color the process. I in no way mean to imply that all the disparities are the result of conscious acts. But at this point, white males are valued more as candidates for positions of power and are compensated at a higher value than minorities, whether gender or race related.

Getting back to the topic. The frustration between the sexes and other interpersonal relationships is a common thread throughout the ages. One only has to examine the literature through time. What is really different now iis that there are means available to individuals that allows them very easily to vent this frustration onto masses of people. So, the real question is how do we as society provide different outlets or solutions for those people realizing these frustrations; and or prevent the access to these kinds of weapons. I am not recommending one or the other, but I see both within the chain of logic.

Getting back to the topic. The frustration between the sexes and other interpersonal relationships is a common thread throughout the ages. One only has to examine the literature through time. What is really different now iis that there are means available to individuals that allows them very easily to vent this frustration onto masses of people. So, the real question is how do we as society provide different outlets or solutions for those people realizing these frustrations; and or prevent the access to these kinds of weapons. I am not recommending one or the other, but I see both within the chain of logic.

 

I definitely agree. And I think it's fair for the discussion of the frustrations occur. Getting these in the open is the avenue for reaching an understanding and hopefully working toward resolutions.

 

As for the issue of weapons, I don't think that's the issue. Frankly, the issue to address are the issues that lead someone to feel this is an option, and to address mental health issues (care, diagnosis, identification, etc)

It's a big world with a lot men. There are, of course, variations. But, in general, I see no reason to revise my statement. Shoot, here on BGP, you can go to some of the threads we've had where the discussion is about a female, and read the posts. A lot of pretty sexist comments.

 

Easy there, chickie.

I do understand what you're saying and know it does happen. But statistically, the numbers don't lie when white males disproportionately are in positions of power, regardless of the minority group represented. Are we to believe white males work harder than black males, black females, white females, etc, or that they work disproportionately harder than the full scope of the minority population? I just don't see it, frankly. I'm speaking from the 30,000 ft. level here, not specifically. There has been study after study related to people in power positions, as well as the pay of people in same-level/duty positions. The disparity is significant. It has narrowed, but still remains significant.

 

While what you describe unquestionably does occur, where it occurs isn't the "life time" equalizer, in my opinion. Culturally, subconscious adherence to historical norms in perception still color the process. I in no way mean to imply that all the disparities are the result of conscious acts. But at this point, white males are valued more as candidates for positions of power and are compensated at a higher value than minorities, whether gender or race related.

 

OK....looking at the 30,000 foot level, I don't know the statistics, but what are the statistics for the population of the pools of qualified applicants for particular jobs? EVERY company I have worked for has AA plans, and to a one, we have sought minorities and women with the objective of everything else being close, we will increase our diversity. At experienced technical levels it has been almost impossible to recruit women and minorities. It is only now that we are able to bring in interns and beginning technical resources (engineers) are we having luck with recruiting women, but we have had no black applicants. WHY?? We answer that problem, then we will understand why there are less women and minorities in higher positions, and we can stop blaming white men.

On the sexist issue.

Who gets the best treatment or easier pass.

 

Male teacher who has sex with underage girl?

Female teacher who has sex with underage boy?

OK....looking at the 30,000 foot level, I don't know the statistics, but what are the statistics for the population of the pools of qualified applicants for particular jobs? EVERY company I have worked for has AA plans, and to a one, we have sought minorities and women with the objective of everything else being close, we will increase our diversity. At experienced technical levels it has been almost impossible to recruit women and minorities. It is only now that we are able to bring in interns and beginning technical resources (engineers) are we having luck with recruiting women, but we have had no black applicants. WHY?? We answer that problem, then we will understand why there are less women and minorities in higher positions, and we can stop blaming white men.

 

I understand what you're saying and I agree. But resolving the inequities crosses gender/race and socio-economics strata. It involves everything from early educational opportunities through to recruitment.

On the sexist issue.

Who gets the best treatment or easier pass.

 

Male teacher who has sex with underage girl?

Female teacher who has sex with underage boy?

 

I think they should be treated equally, since it's the same crime against children. I do feel it's equitable in how the law perceives it. But I do feel there's a huge lack of parity in public perception. In threads on the topic here on BGP, posters are prone to condemn the male, and discuss why they didn't have hot teacher like the female when they were in school