I took this from the Corbin football thread

 

1. Showed favoritism to his son and nephew by trying to make them the stars during the 2011 and 2012 seasons, although I don't really buy into this very much.

2. A lot of the star middle school players either did not play at all or quit early once in high school during this same period.

3. They either practiced, played a game or watched film 7 days a week.

4. It was not fun.

5. They had several players transfer out to other schools, mainly Williamsburg.

6. He favored kids who were yes sir/no sir types and played them over "fringe kids" who were better players.

7. The offense had become too predictable.

 

 

Take that, with the fact that MoCo just let a coach go that was 29-3.

 

What do people want out of coaches now?

 

Winning?

 

Let kids be kids?

 

Have fun?

 

 

Losing sucks, it is 0 fun...PERIOD.

 

To win you have to work, granted not 7 days a week work, but you have to put in more than just 2 hours of practice during the season to "win".

 

Am I supposed to ignore disrespectful kids?

 

To much to ask a kid to say yes sir and no sir?

 

 

Someone in this state just went 29-3 and was R/U in their region....and got let go.

 

 

What do they want?

A good high school coach consistently gets more out of his team than the individual talent would suggest - period. There are different styles and ways of accomplishing this, but the measurement is the same regardless.

A good high school coach consistently gets more out of his team than the individual talent would suggest - period. There are different styles and ways of accomplishing this, but the measurement is the same regardless.

 

 

Completely understood.

 

BUT, are we in an era that the mentality is you should have fun, can talk act/any way you want, only practice during the season and on weekdays, but yet win 30 games or you are a failure.

1. Be a good role model for the kids.

2. Require your players to be good citizens and students.

3. Deliver praise when deserved and critique as needed.

4. Win games.

5. Be honest and sincere with the kids.

...and, above all, let's all remember that your teaching job is the "most important" of the two.

 

(which, for the record this is in the eyes of the blah, blah that most admins will feed you. And something that SHOULD be, but you find out really quick just which one is the most important.)

Completely understood.

 

BUT, are we in an era that the mentality is you should have fun, can talk act/any way you want, only practice during the season and on weekdays, but yet win 30 games or you are a failure.

 

There are some that want that type of environment for their kids. But, in my experience, if a coach is having success (as I defined it), those things (and parents) tend to work themselves out over time. Only when the performance isn't there, or there are off court concerns, do these things become "problems." Again, this is most of the time. From what I know of the Montgomery situation, my definition doesn't seem to mesh with theirs!!

Its about $$$$$ period. If you win and can bring in the $$$$ you stick around, if not your gone.

The advent of the internet has made coaching way more challenging than it was when I was young. Can't get away with things like coached did in the old days- language, violence, demeaning, scapegoating.

Are you kidding? Coaches don't get paid enough to worry about how many people they can put in the stands.

 

Its about $$$$$ period. If you win and can bring in the $$$$ you stick around, if not your gone.

1. Be a good role model for the kids.

2. Require your players to be good citizens and students.

3. Deliver praise when deserved and critique as needed.

4. Win games.

5. Be honest and sincere with the kids.

 

I agree with all but I would change #4 to "play to win games". I hated to loose anything during my athletic days but if I played my best and still lost, I was OK with it because I KNEW I gave it my best effort. There are times when you learn more from a loss than a win.

The problem I see here is that the Administration wants certain things from a Coach, as does the parents, the players, the fans, the neighbors, his or her spouse, his or her kids, the opposing team and coaches, etc. etc. etc. and by definition, keeping everyone happy is IMPOSSIBLE. Even in the best of situations, there are times when the demands become unreasonable along with the expectations. My personal preferences have little to do with Wins and losses but I believe that if you have a Coach that sets reasonable and fair expectations for his kids, is a good role model on and off the court, treats his colleagues, community and opposing Coaches and Players with respect, teaches and instills a sense of confidence and respect for achievement in his players and has a reasonable ability to coach X' and O's...............the w's will take care of themselves.

Parents want their kid to always play and to win every game.

Parents want their kid to always play and to win every game.

 

Parents want there kids to play...... Parents this day and age would rather have there kids play and lose than sit half the time and win!

Boom, you are correct... Winning is not in the picture.

If their kid is playing its all good, if they sit, their unhappy even

if the team is winning games.

Too many unrealistic parents. It's always been that way, but with Facebook, twitter, message boards, etc. it's a lot easier to create a mutiny. A head coach has to have unwavering support of the administration, and have a thick skin. Winning takes time. You can't just assemble talent, and expect to win every year. (I'm looking at you mountains). Bringing in new ayers every year just makes it more frustrating because you alienate the core support.