I agree with you from the recruiting aspect as to seeing multiple kids at once. However, saying kids do not get recruited from high school is not correct and is not even close. If that has been your experience then the coach at that high school did not do what he was supposed to for his players. If you have talent you will be found. That is not even adding to the fact of what the coach and player can do to help that situation. It is not difficult to contact a coach and ask to come work out for them. D1 talent do not need to do that, but things like that go a lot further with a college coach than what summer program he plays for. I do agree over the years these teams have developed a reputation of having great talent, but that is not the only reason. It may have given that coach an extra game to watch him, but there are a plethora of different ways other than forking out your life savings to play for a summer team. I see your points and they are valid, and all I am saying is I don't believed the summer teams were the only reason. I guess we can just disagree on that.

 

I should of said kids don't get recruited as much from their high schools. College is playing the same time that high school is and coaches don't have time to go watch high school games. I know some high school coaches that do a great job getting their kids names out there. On the other hand I know a lot more that do not. Like I said before on a lot of the bigger summer programs from ages 16u-18u you don't pay much at all to play. I can almost guarantee that if you are on a Midland or Flames 17u team you are getting some money to play baseball in college somewhere.

Non-members were not added in to the mix? I was under the impression Perfect Game had an unbiased system when it came to rating players and teams? They have membership restrictions??

 

Another reason to be part of a good organization..

Another reason to be part of a good organization..

 

Haha! Touché

Ziegelmeyer accepted offer at Midland....rhp,1st and 3 rd....pitched in regionals against skins...gave up 1 hit thru 3 innings of work after called up from 16u colonels....sat at 87-89 on gun .

I should of said kids don't get recruited as much from their high schools. College is playing the same time that high school is and coaches don't have time to go watch high school games. I know some high school coaches that do a great job getting their kids names out there. On the other hand I know a lot more that do not. Like I said before on a lot of the bigger summer programs from ages 16u-18u you don't pay much at all to play. I can almost guarantee that if you are on a Midland or Flames 17u team you are getting some money to play baseball in college somewhere.

 

I agree with that too. All I'm saying is most would get it regardless of who they played for.

Ziegelmeyer accepted offer at Midland....rhp,1st and 3 rd....pitched in regionals against skins...gave up 1 hit thru 3 innings of work after called up from 16u colonels....sat at 87-89 on gun .

Good for Ziegelmeyer... Solid player, solid kid.

PBR Underclass games on Raisor:

Ricky Raisor, RHP, Highlands HS, 2016

6-foot-1, 180-pound prospect uses short arm action, works mostly through a high ¾ arm slot, arm is quick, fastball sat 79-81 mph and showed some arm-side run, touched 82, showed a harder curveball since last event at 66-67 mph with 11/5 action, throws a solid changeup at 68-69 mph with good arm-side run and sink, changeup thrown with good arm action, consistently threw strikes in his two innings of work.

PBR Underclass games on Raisor:

Ricky Raisor, RHP, Highlands HS, 2016

6-foot-1, 180-pound prospect uses short arm action, works mostly through a high ¾ arm slot, arm is quick, fastball sat 79-81 mph and showed some arm-side run, touched 82, showed a harder curveball since last event at 66-67 mph with 11/5 action, throws a solid changeup at 68-69 mph with good arm-side run and sink, changeup thrown with good arm action, consistently threw strikes in his two innings of work.

 

Ricky was throwing 83mph at Midland tryout.

From my original post that started this thread.... We've since seen quite a bit of info on "The Beechwood Gang", Evan Slone and Ricky Raisor.

Hoping to see more on Seiter and Smallwood soon. They're both good players as well and need to do some PBR, Baseball Factory or Perfect Game events to get their names out there like these other kids.

From my original post that started this thread.... We've since seen quite a bit of info on "The Beechwood Gang", Evan Slone and Ricky Raisor.

Hoping to see more on Seiter and Smallwood soon. They're both good players as well and need to do some PBR, Baseball Factory or Perfect Game events to get their names out there like these other kids.

 

Are you wanting them to be talked about on message boards or recruited? There's a difference and they both do not go hand in hand. They can be recruited at a high level without going to these events. They may not get talked about on here bc there names are not on a list, but that is more for parents and kids' egoes.

I think as several posters have pointed out... Recruiting is, like everything else in society, evolving. So, yes, I'd like to see kids involved in these type of events as much as possible...

Not for their egos, but for their recruitment. PBR and others collect stats and game info on kids and recruiters (as earlier discussed) can go to fewer events and see more prospects.

Yes, if a kid is an unbelievable talent, word will get around.

But a good, solid, average to slightly above average future college player... That kid needs to get his name out there or he could be lost in the shuffle.

Also, recruiters like to see kids playing with and against high level competition... That's another thing you get to see when a kid plays on a high level summer team and when he goes to events like PBR.

Everyone knows that a .600 batting average against weak competition isn't as impressive to scouts as a .350 batting average against great competition.

PBR and other organizations can help recruiters see through all of that. Nothing is perfect, but sitting around, hoping recruiters will find you... That's a big mistake IMO.

There isn't one player that myself or anyone else has posted about on this thread that isn't going to easily be good enough to play college ball... Some will be D1, some DII or DIII, and some NAIA.

It doesn't really matter, because each kid needs to go wherever they are the best fit.

But in today's world, if the player and/or his HS coach and/or his summer coach isn't reaching out to colleges... They very well may get overlooked. That's a fact.

Ziegelmeyer accepted offer at Midland....rhp,1st and 3 rd....pitched in regionals against skins...gave up 1 hit thru 3 innings of work after called up from 16u colonels....sat at 87-89 on gun .

 

Which Midland team? Not sure Skins/Braves set yet, with exception of a few returners and a couple THawks.

When you see the numbers... And these are facts: over 500,000 HS baseball players.... Just under 40,000 college baseball players... That gets my attention.

And when you realize, 40 thousand players aren't graduating every season... Wow!

That means, there will be somewhere between 10,000 to 20,000 roster spots available in college. And we all know that HS baseball in general is jr and sr heavy on it's rosters... So let's say 200,000 to 350,000 (conservatively) maybe are juniors or seniors in HS.

Pretty tough odds. Kids, do yourself a favor and get your name out there.

I think as several posters have pointed out... Recruiting is, like everything else in society, evolving. So, yes, I'd like to see kids involved in these type of events as much as possible...

Not for their egos, but for their recruitment. PBR and others collect stats and game info on kids and recruiters (as earlier discussed) can go to fewer events and see more prospects.

Yes, if a kid is an unbelievable talent, word will get around.

But a good, solid, average to slightly above average future college player... That kid needs to get his name out there or he could be lost in the shuffle.

Also, recruiters like to see kids playing with and against high level competition... That's another thing you get to see when a kid plays on a high level summer team and when he goes to events like PBR.

Everyone knows that a .600 batting average against weak competition isn't as impressive to scouts as a .350 batting average against great competition.

PBR and other organizations can help recruiters see through all of that. Nothing is perfect, but sitting around, hoping recruiters will find you... That's a big mistake IMO.

There isn't one player that myself or anyone else has posted about on this thread that isn't going to easily be good enough to play college ball... Some will be D1, some DII or DIII, and some NAIA.

It doesn't really matter, because each kid needs to go wherever they are the best fit.

But in today's world, if the player and/or his HS coach and/or his summer coach isn't reaching out to colleges... They very well may get overlooked. That's a fact.

 

I completely agree with you. As a former retired recruiter at both the college level and the professional level, I know what they look for. I know when they get a lot of stats it is more of a red flag than anything. Even videos are not looked at as much as people believe unless they are on the D2, NAIA, JUCO, etc. I do disagree with you regarding the events. It is very hard to evaluate a player in a showcase setting. There can be enough there to prompt another look in a game setting but that's it. Several recruiters like to see kids in a practice atmosphere as well. Over the years I have been to a plethora of practices to see how kids interact with their teammates. The media age has changed recruiting. It is a money making avenue and that is the only thing I am preaching against. There are summer teams that don't cost much and can get you a lot of top notch competition to compete against. However, for every one of those there is five more summer programs that will cost you 4k before they even tell you who they will play and where. Those are the programs I'd like to see filtered out. They prey on young insecure kids whose parents will do anything to help them and unfortunately they do not know any better. College and professional recruiters like to see game atmospheres with great competition but the middle of the road player is not able to play in those scenerios. So then they are left with the only choice of mortgaging their homes for their kids to play summer ball. All I am saying is that is not necessary. A lot of times you do not have to wait on your coach to help. You as a player can take that step. Coaches appreciation that more than you know. Coaches also know if they are at a game with two teams full of D1 talent and they are coaching in the NAIA, they may be in the wrong place. Those coaches have to work harder and those coaches will rely on video to initiate a visit. Those are the coaches that will find somebody in the area they trust to go watch a couple of games and practices to see if its worth them coming in to town to see them. More than not players seeking that level will be invited to come workout or go through practices and go from there. I just do not want to see the mid-level player feeling like they have to fork over that much money to get seen. It is not always necessary.

Great points Baseballinmyblood!

I agree about not blowing money completely...

But, as you said, kids have to reach out to college coaches. They like getting an email or a phone call from a kid. They're much more interested in hearing from the player than the parent.

 

Also, I like for these kids to join teams that do a lot for little money... Like Midland for example.

And, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that PBR is not all that expensive...

Anyway, we agree on principal... I've never been interested in egos but I'm very interested in work ethic..

And I think kids involved in PBR for example, they're working hard to see where they stack up with their peers... And hopefully identify strengths and weaknesses in their game.