I'm not saying don't play summer ball. College is a 56 game daily grind and they need to continue playing. I'm saying American Legion can do the same thing and get you looks for little money. Being a retired college coach I can tell you they hate the "pay to play" system more than anyone and they really despise the type of play it usually consists of. I know of several kids who missed out on scholarships due to how their summer team was ran and the way it made that player look. It is a very selfish system and no coach is going to bring a kid in that has gotten use to that atmosphere.

I'm not saying don't play summer ball. College is a 56 game daily grind and they need to continue playing. I'm saying American Legion can do the same thing and get you looks for little money. Being a retired college coach I can tell you they hate the "pay to play" system more than anyone and they really despise the type of play it usually consists of. I know of several kids who missed out on scholarships due to how their summer team was ran and the way it made that player look. It is a very selfish system and no coach is going to bring a kid in that has gotten use to that atmosphere.

 

Going to have to respectively disagree. If you would like to compare rosters of Midland, Flames, Chiefa with a legion roster, and look at where those kids are committed, it shoots holes in your arguement. Actually, it sinks it.

Going to have to respectively disagree. If you would like to compare rosters of Midland, Flames, Chiefa with a legion roster, and look at where those kids are committed, it shoots holes in your arguement. Actually, it sinks it.

It certainly seems like multiple future college players are coming from teams like Midland, Bluegrass Chiefs, Flames and Colonels... Whether it's the coaching or those teams just recruit great players, I'm not really sure.

Going to have to respectively disagree. If you would like to compare rosters of Midland, Flames, Chiefa with a legion roster, and look at where those kids are committed, it shoots holes in your arguement. Actually, it sinks it.

 

 

It doesn't sink anything bc it doesn't speak to my argument at all. Of course their rosters are full of those guys but that's not why their getting looks. They were that good before they started playing on those teams, and they would've been looked at regardless if they were on those rosters. Just bc they're committed to schools doesn't mean they wouldn't have committed to the same schools if they played somewhere else or just played high school. Can you name one D1 recruit that didn't get a scholarship only bc he didn't play for a team like that? No their talent would do that for them regardless. If you have a terrible hs coach with zero connections then by all means go for it, but it shouldn't be looked at as a must. And btw I was just using legion as an example. It could be any similar organization.

I'm not arguing the talent that is on those teams. That's obvious. I'm saying kids have been brainwashed into this pay to play mentality in which they are told they won't go to college unless they pay to get on these teams. That just isn't the case.

I'm not arguing the talent that is on those teams. That's obvious. I'm saying kids have been brainwashed into this pay to play mentality in which they are told they won't go to college unless they pay to get on these teams. That just isn't the case.

 

On the high level teams you pay next to nothing to play. I am with Maliburunner on this one. The proof is in the pudding..The recruiting game has changed over the years.

On the high level teams you pay next to nothing to play. I am with Maliburunner on this one. The proof is in the pudding..The recruiting game has changed over the years.

 

So you can honestly say those kids would never have gotten scholarships if they hadn't played for those teams? Unless you can say that there's no proof in anything. The only thing you can prove is they have players committed to colleges, but unless you can say they wouldn't have been recruited without that team, then you're wrong. Good talent will always be found regardless.

I'm not saying its bad across the board. However, several kids and parents are fed a fairy tale and end up with nothing to show for it, and 9 times out of 10 they'd get the same exposure if they hadn't played on one of those teams.

So you can honestly say those kids would never have gotten scholarships if they hadn't played for those teams? Unless you can say that there's no proof in anything. The only thing you can prove is they have players committed to colleges, but unless you can say they wouldn't have been recruited without that team, then you're wrong. Good talent will always be found regardless.

 

I can tell you without a doubt they would not of been exposed to those high level colleges without their summer teams help. The high level college programs look at those summer teams for talent because they know the kids have to be good to be on those teams. If you can scout 10 kids at 1 game rather than 10 different games why wouldn't you? Kids don't get recruited from their high schools anymore. They get recruited from going to scouting combines, playing high level showcase tournaments and playing for notable organizations. Most of the coaches on these high level summer teams have so many DI connections it isn't funny. It all helps!

Congrats to Ricky Raisor from Highlands. I heard he made Midland as a pitcher only.:ylsuper:

Congrats to Ricky Raisor from Highlands. I heard he made Midland as a pitcher only.:ylsuper:

Still haven't seen from PBR how he did at the UK Underclass Games. There's been a little info out there on Slone (Ludlow) and Borman (Conner)... But I guess they haven't released pitching reports yet. Interested to see how Raisor did.

Meant to say "I guess they haven't released pitching reports from Raisor's team yet".

I can tell you without a doubt they would not of been exposed to those high level colleges without their summer teams help. The high level college programs look at those summer teams for talent because they know the kids have to be good to be on those teams. If you can scout 10 kids at 1 game rather than 10 different games why wouldn't you? Kids don't get recruited from their high schools anymore. They get recruited from going to scouting combines, playing high level showcase tournaments and playing for notable organizations. Most of the coaches on these high level summer teams have so many DI connections it isn't funny. It all helps!

 

I agree with you from the recruiting aspect as to seeing multiple kids at once. However, saying kids do not get recruited from high school is not correct and is not even close. If that has been your experience then the coach at that high school did not do what he was supposed to for his players. If you have talent you will be found. That is not even adding to the fact of what the coach and player can do to help that situation. It is not difficult to contact a coach and ask to come work out for them. D1 talent do not need to do that, but things like that go a lot further with a college coach than what summer program he plays for. I do agree over the years these teams have developed a reputation of having great talent, but that is not the only reason. It may have given that coach an extra game to watch him, but there are a plethora of different ways other than forking out your life savings to play for a summer team. I see your points and they are valid, and all I am saying is I don't believed the summer teams were the only reason. I guess we can just disagree on that.

Here is a link to Perfect Games List of Organization of the year canidates for 2014.

Organization of the Year Watch List | Perfect Game USA

 

How was this list compiled? Is it something that each club had to be a member of PG or were all these teams nominated?

How was this list compiled? Is it something that each club had to be a member of PG or were all these teams nominated?

 

Non-members were not added in to the mix? I was under the impression Perfect Game had an unbiased system when it came to rating players and teams? They have membership restrictions??