Bill's sponsor is state Sen. John Schickel, NRA-Boone County. Brings to mind the country standard by the late-great Kenny Price, "Sheriff of Boone County": "I don't take no lip with this cannon on my hip."

If it's illegal to carry when drinking what is the problem? People could sneak a gun into the bar now against the law while drinking. All this changes is that a sober patron with the bar owners permission can carry his weapon without fear of being arrested.

If it's illegal to carry when drinking what is the problem? People could sneak a gun into the bar now against the law while drinking. All this changes is that a sober patron with the bar owners permission can carry his weapon without fear of being arrested.

Devil is in the details. Following from the Enquirer's story today:

"Under the proposed new law, concealed carry permit holders could still drink alcohol and carry a gun in a restaurant."

 

Another paragraph from same story: "Boone County resident and concealed carry trainer Joe Kalil helped write the bill. He thinks allowing guns in bars will increase safety."

 

Right, Joe. So many people go to bars NOT to drink.

So if they are under the legal limit again what's the problem. Everyone who has a problem with this will cite what "could" happen. You can't take peoples rights away because of fear they can't handle it.

 

Plus again the owner doesn't have to allow it. Just like smoking if you don't like it don't go to the bar. The free market is a beautiful thing.

So if they are under the legal limit again what's the problem. Everyone who has a problem with this will cite what "could" happen. You can't take peoples rights away because of fear they can't handle it.

 

Plus again the owner doesn't have to allow it. Just like smoking if you don't like it don't go to the bar. The free market is a beautiful thing.

Keep trying to convince yourself that this is a good law, Bash.

 

"This ain't about guns ... it's about my freedom!"

Keep trying to convince yourself that this is a good law, Bash.

 

"This ain't about guns ... it's about my freedom!"

 

You can mock all you want. When I'm deciding what side to take on an issue I normally side on what allows the most freedom.

 

Why shouldn't a business owner get to decide if he will allow people to have guns in his business. It's no business of the governments.

If it's illegal to carry when drinking what is the problem? People could sneak a gun into the bar now against the law while drinking. All this changes is that a sober patron with the bar owners permission can carry his weapon without fear of being arrested.

 

So you've never seen or heard of a sober guy getting involved in a fight that his drunk friend started?

So you've never seen or heard of a sober guy getting involved in a fight that his drunk friend started?

 

I don't play the what if game. If someone shoots someone without merit there are already laws on the book that handle that.

 

You or I should not have our freedoms restricted because of what some moron "might" do.

 

Do people realize how rare it is for someone with their CC to discharge their firearm in a criminal manner.

I don't play the what if game. If someone shoots someone without merit there are already laws on the book that handle that.

 

You or I should not have our freedoms restricted because of what some moron "might" do.

 

Do people realize how rare it is for someone with their CC to discharge their firearm in a criminal manner.

 

Well, I'm just saying.....I don't see the legitimate added element of protection offered to people carrying guns into bars. I see the added element of danger mixing alcohol and concealed firearms.

 

People who carry concealed weapons into bars aren't allowed to do so while drinking. Well people driving cars aren't allowed to do so while drinking, or afterwards even. Doesn't stop that from happening. What's worse, bar owners won't know they're serving concealed carriers because the firearms....well....they're concealed.

Well, I'm just saying.....I don't see the legitimate added element of protection offered to people carrying guns into bars. I see the added element of danger mixing alcohol and concealed firearms.

 

People who carry concealed weapons into bars aren't allowed to do so while drinking. Well people driving cars aren't allowed to do so while drinking, or afterwards even. Doesn't stop that from happening. What's worse, bar owners won't know they're serving concealed carriers because the firearms....well....they're concealed.

 

Your last paragraph you are talking about people who "might" break the law. Nothing is stopping them from doing what you describe right now.

 

The benefit is allowing citizens to protect themselves in a manner that statistics already support that an armed population is a safer population.

Your last paragraph you are talking about people who "might" break the law. Nothing is stopping them from doing what you describe right now.

 

The benefit is allowing citizens to protect themselves in a manner that statistics already support that an armed population is a safer population.

 

So should laws not be put in place to prevent people from "maybe" driving drunk?

Okay, a completely dumb question...I could've swore that the story I heard on the news last night said that, currently, open carry guns are already allowed in bars. (Maybe I misheard that, or they were referring to Ohio.) But, if that is the case...what's the big difference between open carry and concealed carry? Are you not going to pick a fight because you KNOW a guy has a gun...versus not picking a fight with a guy because he MIGHT have a gun? And if you look at it from the other side and say "well, somebody might suddenly snap and start shooting"...does it really matter if their gun was visible or not when they walked in?

So should laws not be put in place to prevent people from "maybe" driving drunk?

 

I'm confused.

 

I think drunk driving is a fair comparison. There are laws that say you can't drink and drive. But we don't outlaw you from driving your car to the bar. If you get in the car and break the law after drinking you are risking jail time and the possibility of hurting someone. We can't make laws that punish people before crimes are committed.

I keep thinking about the old Westerns when Sheriff Gary Cooper would tell the cowpokes to unbuckle their gunbelts before heading into the saloon. Good thing the NRA and Sen. John Schickel weren't around in those days or there would be a recall election.

Some in Ohio thought it was a bad idea a couple of years ago when their laws changed to allow you to carry in a bar, it ended up not being a problem. People have guns in bars now, those are mostly people who do not have a conceal carry license or shouldn't have a gun to begin with.

 

I will guess that bar owners could say no, but I also would think it would be the same as any other business, that the owners request does not carry the weight of the law, so if they call the police on you and THEN you refuse to leave when the police tells you to, it's just a trespassing charge.