I am not sure I posted about this defense on here, if I did forgive me.

 

For me it has to be the 1-5-5- defense Bakersfield, California runs.

No linemen has the hands on the ground(They all are standing)

 

If I am looking at this correctly they actually have one lineman, with the rest of the defense being Linebackers and Secondary players.

 

 

How good are they?

 

They are playing for the state title *actually played, as I am watching it now.

Any video of this set-up?

Any video of this set-up?

 

Somerset and NCC appeared to play a form of Transparent Defense a few weeks ago...:lol2:

Just curious, but how do they play this when the other team tries to go five wide, spread things out and throw the ball around? You have to cover each of those receivers I'd think, and then it takes a lot of the guesswork out of their defense.

The two games I watched(both wins) they had little problems stopping the other teams.

 

The best way to see is to watch some of the vid/game from the above link.

 

There should be vid on them at this site too.

 

http://origin.foxsportswest.com/pages/prepzone

Edited December 25, 201312 yr by newarkcatholicfan

I think it's basically a 3-4, infused with chaos. It looks like the nose man is in a three point stance most time and there looks to be two designated linemen on either side that play from an up position but function as DE's.

The two games I watched(not the one in the link provided) the announcers said that none of the linemen put there hands down.

The two games I watched(not the one in the link provided) the announcers said that none of the linemen put there hands down.

 

vs Spread-Passy Happy (uptempo, too) teams, this is becoming more of a norm. Getting down in a stance is wasted movement (especially if you are talking about linemen who go both ways).

 

I know some, that when they play these types of teams….their defensive linemen aren't your typical defensive linemen…instead, skill type kids. It's hard for those big OL to block WR and RB types in space.

 

Ram nailed it….it's likely one of your 6-7 man front defenses, just lining up all chaotic (4-3, 3-4, 4-2-5).

vs Spread-Passy Happy (uptempo, too) teams, this is becoming more of a norm. Getting down in a stance is wasted movement (especially if you are talking about linemen who go both ways).

 

I know some, that when they play these types of teams….their defensive linemen aren't your typical defensive linemen…instead, skill type kids. It's hard for those big OL to block WR and RB types in space.

 

Ram nailed it….it's likely one of your 6-7 man front defenses, just lining up all chaotic (4-3, 3-4, 4-2-5).

 

The series I watched, the team they were playing didn't look like much of a spread-passing threat. More of a wing-T style offense or something similar. I just watched for a few minutes though.

And where have we seen this in Kentucky for the last five years?

Just curious, but how do they play this when the other team tries to go five wide, spread things out and throw the ball around? You have to cover each of those receivers I'd think, and then it takes a lot of the guesswork out of their defense.

This type of defense started coming about because of teams going 4-5 wide. The idea is to make it tougher to figure out coverage and who's coming and dropping. Early System schools use to see this crap before it became the norm to be spread. It's the same idea Joe Lee Dunn used against Mumme at UK.

 

Honestly the better question is what do they do when they face a double tight double wing team running power, counter, trap, wedge and sweep. All of a sudden that standing up crap and WR as DL stuff doesn't work.

This type of defense started coming about because of teams going 4-5 wide. The idea is to make it tougher to figure out coverage and who's coming and dropping. Early System schools use to see this crap before it became the norm to be spread. It's the same idea Joe Lee Dunn used against Mumme at UK.

 

Honestly the better question is what do they do when they face a double tight double wing team running power, counter, trap, wedge and sweep. All of a sudden that standing up crap and WR as DL stuff doesn't work.

 

Joe Lee Dunn beat Mumme with a concept called 'man through'. Mumme had the tight end and back checking for blitz before releasing. Dunn eliminated both from the passing tree by sending a blitzer THROUGH those two toward the QB. Thus covering them with a single MAN while at the same time bringing additional pressure. It eliminated all threat of the deep ball allowing tighter coverage on the three remaining receivers. Joe Lee hid the blitzers by standing up one or more linemen.

 

Problem for Joe Lee was that it worked great when his man was better than your man(Kentucky) and it gave up easy touchdowns when your man was better than his (Florida, LSU, Alabama, etc..)

 

Joe Lee was all the rage on the clinic circuit for a couple of years. A couple of years later he was fired.

Where did you hear Mumme had his Y check release? I ask because I have never heard of the air raid guys check releasing the Y. Now the F and H would check release except on shallow which is a complete free release.

 

Thank you for providing information about the structure of Dunn's psycho/chaos front.

That info was from Mumme himself. Dunn forced it with pressure and every time Mumme tried to release either the QB was sacked or pressured. Mumme even tried putting tight ends in the backfield for protection and that failed miserably. Mumme's theory was that you release those guys and hit the short route but he kept getting burned, so he had them check blitz and got burned anyway.

 

To clarify. That may not have been the rule per air raid. Mumme and I discussed specifically the failures against those defensive concepts. Mumme still believed that he was one or two offensive horses from turning that matchup in his favor.