July 22, 201313 yr I heard a bunch of people complaining about this yesterday. They were yelling and screaming at Dusty at the game about leaving Bailey in too long. I laughed. At the time, they had 1 hit and 1 gifted run. Giving up 3 runs wasn't the reason they lost the game. If making Dusty the scapegoat makes you guys feel better about this team, so be it.
July 22, 201313 yr Author I heard a bunch of people complaining about this yesterday. They were yelling and screaming at Dusty at the game about leaving Bailey in too long. I laughed. At the time, they had 1 hit and 1 gifted run. Giving up 3 runs wasn't the reason they lost the game. If making Dusty the scapegoat makes you guys feel better about this team, so be it. It's not making him the scapegoat, or about the game yesterday. It's his alarming comments where he said he puts the best interest of his individual players over the best interest of his team. That's just pure ignorance, and there's no place for that managing philosophy in professional sports.
July 22, 201313 yr "People don't understand, but it doesn't matter to me because I'm going to do what I think is right for my team and right for him." That is what has me fired up and ready to rant for 4 hours this afternoon. Those two things aren't one in the same you idiot... Read the whole post before you jump because I agree with you, as I posted above in this thread. As a general philosophy over the course of a season, Dusty thinks standing behind his players is best. He believes the other Reds players will look at him supporting Homer and say, Dusty has our back. He will support me the same way and give me every opportunity to succeed. BUT ... there are times when you manage to win a game and not do what is best over a season. Yesterday was one of those games. You are right, in that game and situation the best decision to win that game for the team was to replace Homer. This is my big concern with Dusty. I wonder if he will make the tough moves he needs to do in the playoffs to win, even if it ticks players off. When I mentioned this previously, GT, you came back at me and said Dusty did ok in the playoffs last year. That was a playoff type must win game yesterday and Dusty didn't handle it right.
July 22, 201313 yr It's not making him the scapegoat, or about the game yesterday. It's his alarming comments where he said he puts the best interest of his individual players over the best interest of his team. That's just pure ignorance, and there's no place for that managing philosophy in professional sports. Where did he say that? The only thing I saw was, "...I'm going to do what I think is right for my team and right for him."
July 22, 201313 yr Author Where did he say that? The only thing I saw was, "...I'm going to do what I think is right for my team and right for him." And when those two things are opposites (like yesterday)? He goes with what's right for the player. That's just stupid.
July 22, 201313 yr Where did he say that? The only thing I saw was, "...I'm going to do what I think is right for my team and right for him." Not saying I know what UKMF is thinking but IMO the "right for him" is what have people irked (me as well). He should have stopped with "right for my team" as what is right for Bailey wasn't what was right for the team.
July 22, 201313 yr And when those two things are opposites (like yesterday)? He goes with what's right for the player. That's just stupid. Again, where did he say he "puts the best interest of his individual players over the best interest of his team?" I'm assuming you think leaving Bailey in for 140+ pitches to get a no hitter was in the best interest of Bailey, too. How many times has Bailey or Latos been pulled in that situation with a lead, only to see it be given up by the bullpen? It 100% has to do with yesterday's call. If anyone here doesn't think a manager makes decisions for the best interest of the player AND the team, has never managed anything. You see it as a loss. Bailey sees it as a manager with confidence in him to get outs. If you sacrifice one win over the confidence for a pitcher to get many more wins, so be it. (Sacrificing that win because of an anemic offense, not the starting pitcher) And again, like every other complaint you guys come up with, offense is the issue. They had 1 hit at that point.
July 22, 201313 yr Not saying I know what UKMF is thinking but IMO the "right for him" is what have people irked (me as well). He should have stopped with "right for my team" as what is right for Bailey wasn't what was right for the team. You would jeopardize your pitcher's confidence by pulling him in a tough situation where he has been one of your best guys all season?
July 22, 201313 yr Author Again, where did he say he "puts the best interest of his individual players over the best interest of his team?" I'm assuming you think leaving Bailey in for 140+ pitches to get a no hitter was in the best interest of Bailey, too. How many times has Bailey or Latos been pulled in that situation with a lead, only to see it be given up by the bullpen? It 100% has to do with yesterday's call. If anyone here doesn't think a manager makes decisions for the best interest of the player AND the team, has never managed anything. You see it as a loss. Bailey sees it as a manager with confidence in him to get outs. If you sacrifice one win over the confidence for a pitcher to get many more wins, so be it. (Sacrificing that win because of an anemic offense, not the starting pitcher) And again, like every other complaint you guys come up with, offense is the issue. They had 1 hit at that point. When did Bailey throw 140+ pitches for a no-hitter? And yes, it's complete and utter stupidity to ever put the interest of a player over that of the team. The only thing that matters is winning the game. As a manager your sole job is to do what is in the best interest of the team to achieve that goal. If that means pulling a pitcher in a tight situation and he gets his panties in a wad over it, so be it.
July 22, 201313 yr When your offense is struggling to score, you know what you don't do? You don't leave in a pitcher that is "frustrated" when it is well documented that said pitcher can implode at any moment in tight situations. I see it as a loss that puts them back to 5 games out of 1st and instead of 1 game behind the Pirates they are now 3 back. Dusty managed that game to get Homer a win and it cost him and his TEAM an important divisional game against a team above them in the standings. Irresponsible, and ignorant. At the same time...
July 22, 201313 yr You would jeopardize your pitcher's confidence by pulling him in a tough situation where he has been one of your best guys all season? If his confidence is that fragile, he sucks anyway...
July 22, 201313 yr Author Crash, are you really saying it was in the best interest of the team to leave Bailey in yesterday?
July 22, 201313 yr Runs given up by Homer in his 9 loses. 7, 1, 4, 7, 6, 4, 4, 4, 3. Yeah. He's killing it this year...
July 22, 201313 yr Crash, are you really saying it was in the best interest of the team to leave Bailey in yesterday? I was fine either way. If he gets out without runs no one says a word. Hindsight is always easier.
July 22, 201313 yr I was fine either way. If he gets out without runs no one says a word. Hindsight is always easier. I wouldn't have said a word until Dusty's ignorant post game comments...
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