June 6, 201313 yr Teams, for the most part seem not willing to spend big money on players anymore. Yes, the Dodgers, Angels, Red Sox, etc. still spend but how's that worked out for them? Even the Yankees have cut back some, probably more so to do with A-Rod's horrible contract. We seen MLB teams start phasing out veteran players a few years back because they didn't want to spend the money. It seems that salaries may start balancing out over the next few years IMO. There will always be players who get overpaid (BJ Upton) but it seems to be limited now. Look at the players who wanted too much and teams didn't overpay; Kyle Loshe, Michael Bourn, etc. I believe that salaries will balance out and that in the next CBA there may be some kind of salary threshold implemented.
June 6, 201313 yr Teams, for the most part seem not willing to spend big money on players anymore. Yes, the Dodgers, Angels, Red Sox, etc. still spend but how's that worked out for them? Even the Yankees have cut back some, probably more so to do with A-Rod's horrible contract. We seen MLB teams start phasing out veteran players a few years back because they didn't want to spend the money. It seems that salaries may start balancing out over the next few years IMO. There will always be players who get overpaid (BJ Upton) but it seems to be limited now. Look at the players who wanted too much and teams didn't overpay; Kyle Loshe, Michael Bourn, etc. I believe that salaries will balance out and that in the next CBA there may be some kind of salary threshold implemented. I think that what you are seeing is that teams are looking at what the Cardinals are doing and teams like that. Why spend 25 mil per year on one player when you can get two tough outs in your line up at 12.5 mil/player? Then you have a team that wins, and fans want to see winning teams. Stars are then born as the team gets exposure that winning brings.
June 6, 201313 yr If your a struggling club, I have no idea why you wouldn't look at the Cardinals and Rangers system and look to model it. Take the 40 Million you would overpay on a guy like Lohse and invest it in scouting & development.
June 6, 201313 yr I think that what you are seeing is that teams are looking at what the Cardinals are doing and teams like that. Why spend 25 mil per year on one player when you can get two tough outs in your line up at 12.5 mil/player? Then you have a team that wins, and fans want to see winning teams. Stars are then born as the team gets exposure that winning brings. Exactly. With the money the Cardinals saved on Pujols they were able to: -Sign Waino long term. -Sign Molina long term. -Sign Beltran who has put up nearly identical if not slightly better than Pujols. -Draft Michael Wacha. If they had signed Pujols they would have probably been able to lock up Waino OR Yadi... but not both.
June 6, 201313 yr The Cards old strategy back in Jockety days was have 2-3 superstars and 6-7 solid veteran/rookies... Once Mozailak (sp) took over they balanced out the talent and look what's happening? Both both strategies can work, just have to be smart. The Cards farm system is the best in baseball also which helps
June 6, 201313 yr Author Even more than the Cardinals....Look at the A's who sit at 36-25 in the AL West. Marlins and Angels are the latest examples of team who tried overpaying and have failed.
June 6, 201313 yr Even more than the Cardinals....Look at the A's who sit at 36-25 in the AL West. Marlins and Angels are the latest examples of team who tried overpaying and have failed. Forget who said it, but they were spot on. The Angels were put together like a guy who went out and bought a couple Fantasy Baseball books the night before the draft.
June 6, 201313 yr Teams, for the most part seem not willing to spend big money on players anymore. Yes, the Dodgers, Angels, Red Sox, etc. still spend but how's that worked out for them? Even the Yankees have cut back some, probably more so to do with A-Rod's horrible contract. We seen MLB teams start phasing out veteran players a few years back because they didn't want to spend the money. It seems that salaries may start balancing out over the next few years IMO. There will always be players who get overpaid (BJ Upton) but it seems to be limited now. Look at the players who wanted too much and teams didn't overpay; Kyle Loshe, Michael Bourn, etc. I believe that salaries will balance out and that in the next CBA there may be some kind of salary threshold implemented. The Yankees cut back has to do with trying to get under the luxury tax threshold. If they are under $189 million in payroll for 2014 their luxury tax rate would be 17.5% instead of 50%. Plus they would be eligible for some revenue sharing if they stay below that from 2014-16. Even if they dip below $189 million for only the 2014 season they get the break on the tax rate, but not the revenue sharing. As for a lot of the other clubs you mentioned, there isn't as big a disparity as you act like. The Yankees at $229 million and the Dodgers at $216 million are the only teams currently over the $189 million threshold. After those two clubs you have 12 clubs clustered between $159 million and $104 million including the Reds.
June 6, 201313 yr Author The Yankees cut back has to do with trying to get under the luxury tax threshold. If they are under $189 million in payroll for 2014 their luxury tax rate would be 17.5% instead of 50%. Plus they would be eligible for some revenue sharing if they stay below that from 2014-16. Even if they dip below $189 million for only the 2014 season they get the break on the tax rate, but not the revenue sharing. As for a lot of the other clubs you mentioned, there isn't as big a disparity as you act like. The Yankees at $229 million and the Dodgers at $216 million are the only teams currently over the $189 million threshold. After those two clubs you have 12 clubs clustered between $159 million and $104 million including the Reds. I believe you are confused. 1. I do not care about the Reds so not sure why you mentioned them specifically to me. 2. I'm not saying teams have to be under $100 million or whatever to have cutbacks or balance out. My point is that teams are not dishing out high dollars for 1 and 2 players. They'd rather break up that money towards multiple players or just save it. More teams seem to have a stable payroll now instead of constantly cutting or increasing. Again there are exceptions but the way MLB teams are spending money now is 100x different than it was 5 years ago.
June 6, 201313 yr The Cards old strategy back in Jockety days was have 2-3 superstars and 6-7 solid veteran/rookies... Once Mozailak (sp) took over they balanced out the talent and look what's happening? Both both strategies can work, just have to be smart. The Cards farm system is the best in baseball also which helps Jocketty was great with mid-season trades but he depleted the farm system doing it
June 6, 201313 yr I believe you are confused. 1. I do not care about the Reds so not sure why you mentioned them specifically to me. 2. I'm not saying teams have to be under $100 million or whatever to have cutbacks or balance out. My point is that teams are not dishing out high dollars for 1 and 2 players. They'd rather break up that money towards multiple players or just save it. More teams seem to have a stable payroll now instead of constantly cutting or increasing. Again there are exceptions but the way MLB teams are spending money now is 100x different than it was 5 years ago. I'm not confused at all. I can recognize an Atlanta Braves avatar--it's got a tomahawk and the word Braves on it. I included the Reds in the grouping of teams because Reds fans are the predominant fanbase on BGP. Since this a discussion on payroll I thought it would be helpful to show that the Reds are now amongst the top half of team payrolls. I was also pointing out that, in the Yankees case, the change in the way their payroll is distributed has nothing to do with the A-rod contract but with the change in the collective bargaining agreement from 2014-16. Also, since you seemed to not have any idea about it I tried to explain exactly how the next collective bargaining agreement worked in regards to the luxury tax/salary threshold. Sorry if that seemed confusing to you, I'll type slower next time. :thumb:
June 6, 201313 yr Author I'm not confused at all. I can recognize an Atlanta Braves avatar--it's got a tomahawk and the word Braves on it. I included the Reds in the grouping of teams because Reds fans are the predominant fanbase on BGP. Since this a discussion on payroll I thought it would be helpful to show that the Reds are now amongst the top half of team payrolls. I was also pointing out that, in the Yankees case, the change in the way their payroll is distributed has nothing to do with the A-rod contract but with the change in the collective bargaining agreement from 2014-16. Also, since you seemed to not have any idea about it I tried to explain exactly how the next collective bargaining agreement worked in regards to the luxury tax/salary threshold. Sorry if that seemed confusing to you, I'll type slower next time. :thumb: Type slower next time? That's a good one.... I understand how the CBA works in regards to luxury tax, but to think that the Yankees aren't hindered by A-Rods contract is silly. I'm simply pointing out the larger picture in that teams are not spending like they did 5 years ago.
June 6, 201313 yr Author 1. New York Yankees $228,835,490 2. Los Angeles Dodgers $216,597,577 3. Philadelphia Phillies $165,385,714 4. Boston Red Sox $150,655,500 5. Detroit Tigers $148,414,500 6. San Francisco Giants $140,264,334 7. Los Angeles Angels $127,896,250 8. Chicago White Sox $119,073,277 9. Toronto Blue Jays $117,527,800 10. St. Louis Cardinals $115,222,086 11. Texas Rangers $114,090,100 12. Washington Nationals $114,056,769 13. Cincinnati Reds $107,491,305 14. Chicago Cubs $104,304,676 15. Baltimore Orioles $90,993,333 16. Atlanta Braves $89,778,192 17. Arizona Diamondbacks $89,100,500 18. Milwaukee Brewers $82,976,944 19. Kansas City Royals $81,491,725 20. Pittsburgh Pirates $79,555,000 21. Cleveland Indians $77,772,800 22. Minnesota Twins $75,802,500 23. New York Mets $73,396,649 24. Seattle Mariners $72,031,143 25. Colorado Rockies $71,924,071 26. San Diego Padres $67,143,600 27. Oakland Athletics $60,664,500 28. Tampa Bay Rays $57,895,272 29. Miami Marlins $36,341,900 30. Houston Astros $22,062,600 Edited June 6, 201313 yr by SvFan4life
June 6, 201313 yr Jocketty was great with mid-season trades but he depleted the farm system doing it Pretty much the same with the Reds but those prospects he traded away haven't really panned out yet.
June 6, 201313 yr Author Here is a list of the highest paid MLB player per team. 1. Houston Astros - Bud Norris $3.0 million 2. Oakland Athletics - Chris Young $8.5 million 3. San Diego Padres - Carlos Quention $9.5 million 4. Arizona Diamondbacks - Miguel Montero $10.0 million 5. Milwaukee Brewers, Rickie Weeks — $10.0 million 6. Tampa Bay Rays, David Price — $10.1 million 7. Cleveland Indians, Nick Swisher — $11.0 million 8. Colorado Rockies, Jorge De La Rosa — $11.0 million 9. Miami Marlins, Ricky Nolasco — $11.5 million 10. Pittsburgh Pirates, Wandy Rodriguez — $13.0 million 11. Kansas City Royals, Ervin Santana — $13.0 million 12. Atlanta Braves, Dan Uggla — $13.0 million 13. Toronto Blue Jays, Jose Bautista — $14.0 million 14. Chicago White Sox, John Danks — $14.3 million 15. Baltimore Orioles, Nick Markakis — $15.0 million 16. Boston Red Sox, John Lackey — $15.3 million 17. Texas Rangers, Adrian Beltre — $16.0 million 18. Washington Nationals, Jayson Werth — $16.0 million 19. St. Louis Cardinals, Matt Holliday — $17.0 million 20. Cincinnati Reds, Joey Votto — $17.0 million 21. Chicago Cubs, Alfonso Soriano — $18.0 million 22. Seattle Mariners, Felix Hernandez — $19.0 million 23. Los Angeles Dodgers, Adrian Gonzalez — $21.0 million 24. Los Angeles Angels, Vernon Wells — $21.0 million (Albert Pujols will overtake this next season) 25. San Francisco Giants, Tim Lincecum — $22.0 million 26. Detroit Tigers, Prince Fielder — $23.0 million 27. Minnesota Twins, Joe Mauer — $23.0 million 28. Philadelphia Phillies, Cliff Lee — $25.0 million 29. New York Mets, Johan Santana — $25.5 million 30. New York Yankees, Alex Rodriguez — $28.0 million This was as Feb. 2013. 8 teams have at least 1 player who earns at $20 million+ annually. Of those 8 teams 5 are at .500 or below , they are in bold.
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